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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
HavingAnOffDAy · 13/07/2012 13:16

So, if I was planning to cheat tonight Blush with a curry, would garlic naan or pilau rice be 'better'

I sooooooooooooo fancy a curry but it won't be the same without cars Sad I am giving up my onion bhaji though!

Hangs head in shame and awaits a beating from BIWI

Thegoddessblossom · 13/07/2012 13:21

B: greek yog

L: 3 egg mushroom omelette, 3 rashers bacon, coleslaw. Was starvacious!!

BIWI how tall are you? 9 13 seems a very low weight to be affecting your blood pressure....

Jins · 13/07/2012 13:21

It's better without carbs!!!!!

All that tasty curry and none of the gooey, claggy flavourless filler that is rice or the spongy soft pap that is naan Grin

HokeyCokeyPigInAPokey · 13/07/2012 13:21

Just checking in to see how everyone is doing.

I have been doing really well and although this woe was going to be a temporary phase for me, i now don't think i will ever go back.

The difference in me is so noticeable, yes i have lost weight but aside from that i just feel so much better. I am not bloated or feeling stuffed all the time, my hair, skin and nails are all better.

But most remarkably of all is the difference it has made to my pms which i suffer from terribly, and i mean terribly near suicidal, shouty and screamy. It's awful and for the first time in 18 years i have been like a different person.

I have adapted the diet to suit me, and it's working wonders. Last night i let dh convince me i wanted a chinese - i ate rice and crispy shredded chilli chicken and have felt awful all day - never again.

So really this is a thanks to BIWI for the rules and the lists and for being so stern sometimes that i have actually stood in my kitchen chocolate in hand and thought, what would BIWI say and i've put it back!! Wink

So Thanks

BIWItheBold · 13/07/2012 13:33
Grin

If only I had that effect on my children, Hokey!

TheGoddess - I'm 5 ft 2, and at 9.13 my BMI is 25, so it's a bit puzzling. Either something serious is going on, or something temporary is affecting things. It is worrying.

HavingAnOffDay - don't do it! Honestly, both are loaded with carbs. Curry on its own, with a lovely vegetable bhaji (or two) is perfect. If you really want to get into this WOE for the long haul, you are going to have to shift your perspective.

OP posts:
HavingAnOffDAy · 13/07/2012 13:34

I know Jins, but naan is so damned tasty Sad

This is the first time I've wanted to eat carbs since starting this woe, and as they do fill me I doubt I'd be able to eat much of either

HavingAnOffDAy · 13/07/2012 13:35

So cauliflower bhaji would be ok BIWI?

Jins · 13/07/2012 13:47

Naan won't be tasty now you've been low carbing. It will be oversweet and it will stick to the roof of your mouth in an unpleasant way. You will not enjoy it as much as you thought you would and you will eat every bite of it and go looking for icecream or chocolate.

Believe me and BIWI.

The only veg dishes to avoid are those with potatoes. Anything with Aloo in the name :)

Thegoddessblossom · 13/07/2012 13:50

Having - seriously I can second Jins and BIWI on the curry - I had one last Saturday, sag paneer, fish tikka with the salad, cauliflower bhaji. I did not miss the rice or naan ONE BIT!

HavingAnOffDAy · 13/07/2012 13:58

Ok, I'm convinced. I love all the veggie dishes anyway and normally avoid the ones with potatoes in case they're not quite cooked fussy emoticon

vnmum · 13/07/2012 14:22

BIWI My DH had a few episodes of blood in his urine after a month or so of this woe. Tests revealed nothing causing it. Don't know if it is somehow linked to this WOE but he hasn't had anything since.

Because I am having a planned cheat on saturday night and won't be able to get to the gym on sunday to burn off the glycogen I will weigh tomorrow morning and use that weight for the spreadsheet on monday.

QueenStromba · 13/07/2012 15:40

Cauliflower and mushroom bhaji should both be fine as is saag paneer.

Shimbo · 13/07/2012 15:52

My indian faves on this WOE are tandoori chicken, salad, and sag paneer, mmmm, definitely filling and you don't miss the carbs at all. It means you get to eat more of the tastier stuff without filling up on the fillers Grin.

mummyduff · 13/07/2012 16:07

all this talk of indian's is making me very hungry Wink

Breakfast - boiled egg
Lunch - cheese omelette & salad
Dinner - girls night out - will try to be goodSmile

jan2011 · 13/07/2012 16:36

it would be nice to try some indian food sometime.

i have tons of energy now - the first few weeks i didn't but this week i got my act together and have been to 2 hardcore work out classes in the gym. i enjoyed them soo much, felt great after, felt really challenged and it was great being guided by someone rather than going to mess about in the gym myself. muscles are all a bit sore - so hoping to keep it up and get a bit of muscle tone!

about my dh - he doesn't care about sabotaging my diet. i have told him so many times about not buying a lot of junk food at once (i asked him just to buy like one packet of biccies or one choc bar or whatever) but he continues to leave massive galaxy bars, buns and maxi packs of junk stuff around, and it used to be problematic when i struggled with binging. now im not feeling the urge anymore, but still have to watch stuff like nuts. i mean, why does he have to get a 750g bag - hello?

SharonGless · 13/07/2012 18:09

Jan 2011 sorry things still bad with your Dh - have you tried relate or want to consider it? That's where we ate now and things are improving slowly. I had such a lot of resentment for last few years but trying to look forward now.

B: cheese and mushroom omlette
L too full so had nuts and celery filled with cream cheese
D smoked cod loin, broccoli and
Cabbage fried in butter.
This is to line my stomach as I forgot it is the mums night out from school tonight. It is usually a messy affair

BIWItheBold · 13/07/2012 18:12

Glad to hear about your energy levels, jan - and especially glad to hear that you don't have the urge to binge.

Um. Your DH is being a bit of a twat, isn't he? Do you know why he does it? I would, personally, be tempted to shove everything he's buying/lying around in a big black bag and put it in the car/in the shed/in the bin - as appropriate - so that a) he gets the message and b) it's not tempting to you to eat it.

OP posts:
Shimbo · 13/07/2012 18:29

Biwi, hope you get some answers about your health soon. Are you feeling okay?

Jan, if I were you I would just throw the junk food your DH is buying out, obviously not the nuts (maybe decant some off and keep the bigger bag somewhere hard to reach), but all the chocolate, biscuits and other stuff. It sounds like he is having some issues with you doing so well losing weight.

Today -

B: greek yog and a little flax (BIWI I checked and the ground flaxseed is 1.7g carb/100g and I am having a mere teaspoon's worth)
L: egg and tuna with salad
D: roast chicken, broccoli in butter.

I also made the low carb cheesecake some lovely person posted a few pages ago. I think I used too little stevia but it tastes pretty good with a few berries in. I have barely had a taste myself but just wanted to practice a low carb pud for.

I would also really recommend Jamie's chocolate pots if you have a special dinner. www.foodandwine.com/recipes/chocolate-pots. They are simply very dark choc, eggs and double cream and taste sublime.

mummyduff · 13/07/2012 18:52

Jan sorry things are not great with DH, think I would also bag all the junk food up and put it in the boot of his car! Wink

Sharon I'm also on mum's night out and same as you ours can be messy, see you back here in the morningGrin

Have a fab eve everybody x

mummyduff · 13/07/2012 18:53

Jimbo love the sound of those Jamie's choc pots x

sybilfaulty · 13/07/2012 18:55

I am a survivor of a mums' night out last night, all good but too much wine. Then to a friend's for lunch today, mainly LC but a couple of crisps and a spoonful of custard (the shame) did find their way onto my plate.

I have to make my MIL a cake now and we're off to see her tomorrow. Good news is that I'll be cooking whilst we are there so can at least control what we eat.

Happy weekend everyone

mummyduff · 13/07/2012 18:56

biwi hope the medical stuff gets sorted soon, try not to worry too much x

mummyduff · 13/07/2012 18:57

GrinSybil

BIWItheBold · 13/07/2012 19:08

Right. Listen up folks.

We have another 2 weeks, and then we will be at the end of 15 weeks of Bootcamp which I know you are all following to the absolute letter.

I'm proposing that we see that as an end of the week-by-week chat threads, but that we move to one rolling, ongoing chat thread. We can report our weight losses/gains on that thread. (Or we could ask FiddledeFat if it's OK to keep the spreadsheet going if you like)

I think it gets a bit confusing for the newbies when they join part way through, so I'm proposing two things:

  • we view the next two weeks as a 'biggest loser' challenge - see if we can really see the next two weeks out in style! A chance for everyone to really get back on the wagon and see some significant losses before the holidays start.
  • I start a Bootcamp v2, for another 15 weeks, immediately after that - so everyone can re-group and I can re-post key stuff for more recent joiners and anyone else who wants to start with us.

How does that sound?

OP posts:
BettySuarez · 13/07/2012 19:10

Does anyone have any links to further info on carb flu?

It is possible to experience this when you are 4 weeks in?

I am feeling really rough ( have been adding lo salt to diet as advised) but am still a long way from feeling these energy bursts that you all speak of.

I am wondering if I was a but anaemic prior to this so have just started iron supplements.

So any info on carb flu would be good otherwise I will have to subject myself to the horrors of Google Grin