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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
Finbar · 12/07/2012 12:26

I may have missed this - but is there a recipe area for the low-carbers?
I need a dessert for a dinner on Saturday

Thanks

HumphreyCobbler · 12/07/2012 12:26

I have got some aqua ban to try and help with the water retention. It has 125mg of sucrose - what would be the carb count on that?

Jins · 12/07/2012 12:28

sucrose is weight for weight. So 125mg of carbohydrate or 0.125g.

ZZZenAgain · 12/07/2012 12:41

Jins, so happy to be corrected because I don't want to give it up! Yes it is a 100g jar and 60g is carb. Pro portion 0,9g so not too bad.

Phew. THanks.

Jins · 12/07/2012 12:45

No problem!

I had things I just couldn't give up and factored them in to my daily 'allowance'.

BIWItheBold · 12/07/2012 12:47

Here you go, Finbar

OP posts:
QueenStromba · 12/07/2012 12:50

There's a recipe thread here. I don't think there are any deserts on there though. How about:

Double cream, cocoa powder and a little stevia whisked up to make a chocolate mousse - this is my go to when I fancy something that isn't savoury.

Berries and cream - raspberries are pretty low carb and the cream will make it feel very indulgent.

Baked cheesecake:

500g mascarpone
3 large eggs
sweetener to taste
Vanilla or cocoa powder to taste

  1. Separate the eggs and add the yolks to the mascarpone, sweetener and cocoa/vanilla
  2. Beat the egg whites until stiff
  3. Mix the cheese, yolks and flavourings
  4. Gently fold the egg whites into the rest of the mixture
  5. Bake at 160 for 20-25 minutes - take it out when it still looks a bit wet right in the middle

I've not tried it but there are loads of low carb cheesecake base recipes out there like this one - I haven't made one in a while but I never bothered with the base.

Tiramisu is also rather amenable to low carbing - I've not tried it myself but this recipe looks fantastic

HumphreyCobbler · 12/07/2012 12:51

thanks Jins

catinboots · 12/07/2012 13:00

Bollocks. Had some wine last night and went carb crazy Sad

The stupid thing is - I wasn't even hungry or craving carbs! I had to force myself to eat supper - chilli con carne with cabbage (no kidney beans!)

DH was at my parents and my DF gave him a bottle of wine. I didn't even enjoy it

It tasted like acid but I forced it down. WTF??

I won't even tell you what I ate Blush

Idiot.

QueenStromba · 12/07/2012 13:09

Just put it behind you and carry on with this way of eating. St John of Briffa says that as long as you eat well 80% of the time then you should be ok. The next time you are offered some wine you will remember this experience and it will make it easier to refuse. My ethos is that you are allowed to cheat as long as you have made a conscious decision to do so and that you cheat with something that's worth it so £50 a head sushi is fine but supermarket sushi is not. Expect a shouting at from BIWI though.

Jins · 12/07/2012 13:15

Wine is dangerous. I don't drink wine any more. I'd given it up before this WOE thank goodness but it does seem to inspire people to eat carbs.

Vodka on the other hand just inspires me to drink more vodka :)

jan2011 · 12/07/2012 13:20

just been out with friend for coffee and she was buying - she came back with a cupcake for me! lots of icing and all - couldn't refuse! so what can i do now to minimise damage apart from drink lots? do i just go straight back to bootcampish rules fat and all? am i out of ketosis? yikes.

QueenStromba · 12/07/2012 13:24

You'll probably be out of ketosis but it shouldn't take you as long to get back into it as it did the first time. The best thing you can do to get rid of the carbs is to do some exercise - take a long walk or go to the gym. Stick to mushrooms, spinach, rocket and other salad leaves for the rest of the day along with your protein and fat.

Thegoddessblossom · 12/07/2012 13:24

Lunch - ham hock terrine, boiled egg, tuna with mayo, roasted veg, cucumber and salad leaves, small chunk of cheese, coleslaw.

CutItOutAndRestart · 12/07/2012 13:30

just checking in quick, weighed this morning and I've lost another 3lb. That's 6lb in the past two weeks I have been back low carbing and takes me to 4st 10lb since February Grin

no strawberries for me this week but I have had blueberries with soya yogurt for breakfast. Will try to be fruit free this week, promise.

sybilfaulty · 12/07/2012 13:31

Hellooooooooooooooooooo low carbers!

Just had my breakfast / lunch - salami and a salad. Am still not hungry after last night's chicken with feta and salad.

Am out on the beers tonight, so better line the stomach first. I am thinking of a cheeky G and T or 2, as wine makes me wrecked now (the train incident a couple of weeks ago still haunts me)

THe sun's out here too at last! Hurray!

Back later.

sybilfaulty · 12/07/2012 13:32

Cut it out, have you lost nearly 5 STONE since Feb?! Bloody hell, you are amazing! Well done. Serious respect.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 12/07/2012 13:34

helloo, still same weight here, but havent managed my aquarobics this week, although have been walking.

Had a dinner party on Tuesday evening, well - had 3 friends + me for dinner as DH is away all week... lots of food, lots of pink wine and it was great fun.

What they didnt realise is that I made 'low carb' food for them and did a panna cotta for dessert (subbed sugar for Stevia - fgs, use less than the 1/3rd ratio suggested on stevia it was so sweet) made Duck chipotle and a huge chilli for main and had dips, salad and rice for them.

So, although I had a wine fest, the food was 'good'

Hope everyone is ok and having fun on this WOE. Grin I am!

CutItOutAndRestart · 12/07/2012 13:40

thanks Sybil. I started out on the dreaded vlcd but abandoned it a couple of weeks ago as my body was telling me it wanted food. I thought it was better to listen and plan a healthy woe than just give in to cake Grin

I am also back eating meat and I put the good loss so far down to not relying on so much dairy and nuts.

I want some sun! Its peeing down here

CutItOutAndRestart · 12/07/2012 13:45

can't remember if I mentioned my low carb yogurt find - tescos free from soya yogurt 1g of carb per 100g. Don't know if there is a lower carb yogurt out there or is it better to go for one with a bit more carbs but with more fat content?

Jellybellyrbest · 12/07/2012 14:08

Yay!! Day 3 today & I've lost 3lb. Although had to weigh myself after breakfast & a pint of water...usually donut before I eat, but felt AWFUL. Really weak & ill. Ketosis already??? Not hungry today. Forgot I didn't have lunch.. I'm exclusively B'feeding a 12 wk old. Anyone else done this whilst exclusively b'feeding? If so do you think it affected your milk in any way? I really don't want baby to suffer. Though from reading Dr Briffa's book I'm convinced enough that I'm only cutting out crap really....
A question: am I allowed coleslaw? It's deli bought so mo breakdown of nutrients on the label. Thx...

Jellybellyrbest · 12/07/2012 14:13

Yay!! Day 3 today & I've lost 3lb. Although had to weigh myself after breakfast & a pint of water...usually donut before I eat, but felt AWFUL. Really weak & ill. Ketosis already??? Not hungry today. Forgot I didn't have lunch.. I'm exclusively B'feeding a 12 wk old. Anyone else done this whilst exclusively b'feeding? If so do you think it affected your milk in any way? I really don't want baby to suffer. Though from reading Dr Briffa's book I'm convinced enough that I'm only cutting out crap really....
A question: am I allowed coleslaw? It's deli bought so mo breakdown of nutrients on the label. Thx...

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 12/07/2012 14:37

Jellybelly, I'm bf too. DD is 18 weeks and was 14 weeks when I started. My milk doesn't seem to have been affected at all. After all, I'm eating plenty, it's just not carbs. I did feel like crap the first couple of mornings, though - not sure if that's connected to bf or not!

SpringGoddess · 12/07/2012 14:40

Thanks for all the birthday wishes. My parcel from Zara arrived and their size 10 jeans fit - nothing from Zara has ever fitted me before. Shock keep going ladies it's a great feeling and low carbing will keep you there too.

BIWI I think you are right about losing weight all over your body and hence not looking much different in the mirror after weight loss.

Well done on your loss this week cutitout and jellybelly

Wine I think for me tonight. I have found that gin & slims give me cravings for more food whereas when I drink wine I never think of food - think of wine when I eat food though!!!

I have so much energy atm, getting lots of stuff done around the house, even the garden is getting some attention.

B - total yoghurt with strawberries and stevia
Snack - a few hazelnuts and 4 dark choc drops - I know non-compliant!
L - leftover chicken curry with broccoli
D - piri piri chicken with salad and lots of birthday booze!

Peggotty · 12/07/2012 14:45

Jins, is my Greek yog/berries/nuts combo that bad ?! Blush. It was a suggestion in the Briffa book! I'm not hardcore low carbing or bootcamping.