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Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 13, a Baker's Dozen

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BIWItheBold · 09/07/2012 08:05

... low carb baked goods, of course!

Welcome everyone and good luck for the forthcoming week.

As before, here are the rules for Bootcamp and Bootcamp Light, and the list of allowed veg:

The Carnivore Rules

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

*5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later - it can be too easy to start snacking on these - and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in bootcamp - don't do it to yourself.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

Allowed veg

Don?t eat any veg unless it?s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

Veggie Rules

Only slightly adapted from BIWI's but best to take notice of the changes if you're vegetarian.

1.Eat three, proper meals a day.
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)

2.Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural ingredients as the basis for your meals. Vegetarian Sausages and Burgers are ok in small quantities, but check the carb count as some can be very high. Avoid foods marketed as 'Low Carb' such as Atkins Daybreak Bars, etc.

3.Eat lots of fat.
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4.Make sure you are eating plenty of vegetables and salads with your food ?
This is where most of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat

5.Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited). It can impede weight loss for some people. If you are still drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. You may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

6.You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day.
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink

7.No alcohol
If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8.No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada.

9.Beware of Nuts and Seeds.
Nuts are a very good way to include more fat and protein in your diet, however some are very high carb (e.g. Cashews). Stick to small amounts of Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Dried Coconut, Walnuts, Seeds and Peanut Butter, but check the ingredients, many supermarket brands have sugar added.

10.No sugar or artificial sweeteners

And here are the rules for Bootcamp Light:

  1. Eat three, proper meals a day
You must eat breakfast. It doesn?t have to be a lot, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack)
  1. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. You may include processed meats like bacon or (low carb) sausages, smoked salmon, smoked mackerel, gammon - but please don?t have these at every meal or every day. As well as being highly processed they often contain undesirable ingredients, can add unnecessary extra carbs into your diet, and often include sugar.
  1. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat helps you to burn fat. Honestly! It will also keep you feeling fuller for longer. Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!
  1. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where the bulk of your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

Beware that some of the veg on the allowed list can be surprisingly high in carbs once you make up a portion of it ? this is because they are denser, and therefore you tend to use more ? compare, for example, 100g of onion with 100g lettuce! Keep your focus on those veg which contain 3g carbs per 100g and use these as the focus of your meals. Use those over 3g per 100g sparingly.

  1. You may eat some dairy
You should aim to include plenty of butter on this WOE. Fry with it and add it to your vegetables. And if you know that dairy doesn?t impede your weight loss you may eat cheese, but don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best.

If you?ve been cutting out tea/coffee, you can re-introduce this ? but just be careful how much milk you end up drinking. You can end up adding a lot of extra carbs this way.

  1. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
Even if you?re drinking more tea/coffee than in Bootcamp, this is still a non-negotiable part of this WOE. And the more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. Water helps to flush out the ketones that your body will product ? so flushing out the fat.
  1. You may drink some alcohol
But restrict this to once or twice a week max. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine. Absolutely no beer/lager, cider, liqueurs, cocktails or full sugar mixers. You can drink spirits with artificial sweeteners, but bear in mind that we are attempting to avoid all things artificial!

Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for your body, and it will use this over and above anything else that is available to it. Therefore, even if you?re following the diet absolutely to the letter, including alcohol can prevent weight loss.

  1. You may eat some fruit
Strawberries, raspberries, blackberries and rhubarb are all fine. But please ? only once a day at the very most, and keep an eye on your portion sizes. Just for information ? these are the carb counts:

Rhubarb ? 0.8g carbs per 100g (but don?t forget you will need to sweeten this ? and not with sugar!)
Blackberries ? 4.4g carbs per 100g
Raspberries ? 4.6g carbs per 100g
Strawberries ? 6g carbs per 100g
Blueberries - 6.4g carbs per 100g (although this is a bit controversial - I have had differing carb counts from various sources - some saying as much as 12g carbs per 100g)

  1. You may eat some nuts/seeds
Nuts/seeds can make a good snack. BUT it is incredibly easy to overdo it, and you can end up eating your bodyweight in carbs. Also, if you prefer salted nuts, it is very easy to eat too much salt via nuts/seeds. As an occasional snack they are great. As well as being bad for you, too much salt can result in fluid retention - which will mean a higher weight on the scales.

Macadamias are not only luscious, but they are very low in carbs. Sainsbury?s sell little bags of roasted, salted Macadamias that work out at around 4g per bag.

Here are some carb counts ? BUT ? check the back of your packets as I don?t know if these are for raw or roasted nuts:

Pistachios 4.6g carbs per 100g
Macadamias 4.8g carbs per 100g
Pecans 5.8g carbs per 100g
Almonds 6.9g carbs per 100g
Peanuts 7.1 g carbs per 100g
Cashews 18.1g carbs per 100g

  1. Avoid artificial sweeteners The aim of Bootcamp was to help reduce the stranglehold that sugar has on us ? and to curb your sweet tooth. But it does make some things difficult, e.g. desserts at a dinner party, and it is undeniable that it can be enjoyable ? occasionally ? to eat something sweet. However, restrict such goodies. For some people, artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss.
OP posts:
Jins · 12/07/2012 14:47

It wouldn't work for me Peggotty. It's potentially very carby even before you put the honey on it

If it works though...

Peggotty · 12/07/2012 15:01

I don't know it works yet as I'm only on day 3. But I feel massively less bloated already. I don't want to weigh myself yet as I don't want to get too dependant on 'seeing' weight loss I'd rather feel it iykwim. But I'm new to all this so may well be ballsing it up Sad

jan2011 · 12/07/2012 15:02

peggotty ive been having that combo and its been working well. no honey though! i also have some flaxseed on it :)

that cupcake i had earlier made me feel very shaky! weird.

jan2011 · 12/07/2012 15:03

oh im bf too and have loads of milk :)

HumphreyCobbler · 12/07/2012 15:04

My face is looking really thin.

I keep catching myself vamping into mirrors Blush

Jins · 12/07/2012 15:05

I think you have to pick a plan and stick to it. If Briffa recommends it then I'm not going to argue. I'm hardcore low carb (Atkins) but I have read many other plans and recognise that they work.

I personally couldn't cope with that many carbs first thing in the day. I'm just one person though Wink

SharonGless · 12/07/2012 15:08

Nice one Humph!
Have had lots of compliments this week from people who haven't seen me for a few weeks. I totally relate to not seeing myself as slim yet in the mirror and can't quite believe I am ordering size 12 for anything.

B: Greek yoghurt and blueberries
L cheese omlette with leftover cabbage
D: waiting to see if the weather holds if can squeeze a BBQ in - got lamb mince so might make lamb kofta if not it will be shepherds pie.

I am going to have A DRINK tonight- its my Friday night as am working at the weekend.

Jins · 12/07/2012 15:11

I have never seen myself as slim and yet my jeans tell me I must be :(

HumphreyCobbler · 12/07/2012 15:15

I am feeling particularly happy because I have started to lose weight again after a long stall, but didn't give up thanks to all the encouragement on this thread.

I also didn't give up because I feel so well. I have great skin, shiny hair, no anxiety and no pms.

Can you tell I really rate this WOE? I am having to restrain myself from rabbiting on about it in RL.

It is great buying thin clothes, isn't it SharonGless? Enjoy your drink tonight.

Peggotty · 12/07/2012 15:18

Ok will cut out the honey Smile. Jins am impressed at your hard-coreness Wink. It's obviously working for you. Right, I need to go and drink more water, I've not had as much as usual so far today. Tried green tea earlier - bleeee!!

QueenStromba · 12/07/2012 15:20

Lowish carb rather than low carb does work but you can't chuck a load of oil and butter on everything - you need to stick with moderate fat and high protein if you're going to do that. Also it would be a good idea to have either breakfast or dinner very low carb to extend the period where there is little or no insulin for as long as possible. I actually lost the most weight while I was just eating meat, fish and eggs during the day and then had veg with my dinner

Jins · 12/07/2012 15:21

It's worked for me for 9 years Peggotty :)

I may have to get violent with anyone who makes me change my ways

sparkybabe · 12/07/2012 15:40

Can someone advise about soya? I don;t like dairy much (except cheese Grin) so i eat a lot of soya - milk, cream, yoghurt. The labels say low in carbohydrates, and low protein too, (and fat) is this OK?

I do buy Total when Tesco have the fullfat version, but in its absence i'm happy to eat plain soya yog. I just wondered if it was high enough in fat and protein.

I also find I don't really eat lunch any more, a few slices ham, or cheese, and some nuts, is all nowadays.

mummyduff · 12/07/2012 16:08

Grin to jins know what you mean re vodka!

QueenStromba · 12/07/2012 16:16

Unfermented soy is really bad for you - www.naturalnews.com/022630.html

Amaxapax · 12/07/2012 17:11

sparkybabe, you might find it interesting to read Mark's Daily Apple for his views on soy. I'm not a big soy eater so haven't taken much notice, but he seems to think it can cause quite a few issues and some inflammation, along the lines of wheat for some people. Worth exploring if it's something you eat a lot.

Jellybellyrbest · 12/07/2012 17:17

Thanks Too! Really good to hear that! My metabolism seems to slow down while I'm feeding & I wasn't sure that I'd see lbs coming off like e'one else! Hopefully I won't feel just as ooory tomorrow morning.

Spring, belated Happy Birthday & well done on the jeans! Can't WAIT for that to happen me. Gorgeous day here & I'm sweltered. Walked to the shops in my maternity joggers & black 2 layer maternity top. Have nothing else that fits! I can't wait to get into summer clothes that fit!

jan2011 · 12/07/2012 17:29

queen thanks for the info about the cheating it helped - sometimes cheating cannot be avoided! ill have to re read the thread Biwi wrote about cheating properly (as in when you have to)

jelly when i had dd my bf made it hard for me to lose any weight too whereas before i found it quite easy to drop a few pounds. i think if i start to gain weight when i wean, i will have to not eat as much!

Thegoddessblossom · 12/07/2012 19:29

bought this today. Really pleased with it and DH likes it too. VERY clingy round waist and thighs but ok if I wear seamless nix.

mummyduff · 12/07/2012 19:33

Goddess thats a lovely dress x x

Thegoddessblossom · 12/07/2012 19:39

thanks Mummyduff!! Grin I wear alot of dresses to work, always on the lookout for nice ones.

Amaxapax · 12/07/2012 20:01

BIWI or someone equally knowledgeable, I need your thoughts. I've been reading a bit on Low Carb Friends and there are a lot of people there who make comments about keeping vegetable intake very low, or the dangers of eating too much protein. Some also seem to count calories. I haven't been tracking my carbs because I know that I would also start to look at calories, which would probably panic me and send me back to a low cal diet. Could you let me know if I'm too high in either protein or veg based on my meals today? I'm a creature of habit, so this is very typical for me:

B: three eggs mashed with a heaping teaspoon of mayo
L: mixed salad leaves with about 40g of cucumber and 40g of feta with skin-on chicken and Paul Newman's Italian dressing
D: three chicken thighs roasted with some courgette, a small amount of yellow pepper, shallots and chorizo served with broccoli

I've had 3.75l of water.

Also, I don't think I'm in ketosis. I don't have a bad taste in my mouth and I don't feel like my appetite has diminished really. I guess I don't feel terribly different from before, except I don't crave carbs and my skin looks moderately better. Am I being too picky or am I doing something wrong? I am not eating any yoghurt, nuts or fruit.

vnmum · 12/07/2012 20:07

happy birthday spring

Had some lovely slices of pork fillet for lunch with pesto on. I didn't realise how good for this woe pesto is. The brand I have is only 1g carb per 100g and 45g fat! Low fat and calorie counters would be horrified at eating that Grin.

I am looking forward to my night out on saturday, especially after DH told me the menu. I am definately glad that it is going to be a planned diversion from the diet as it all sounds so nice and I can enjoy it guilt free because I know I am going to cheat iyswim. There is going to be english traditional food, carribean, australian, puddings and a pic'n'mix stall although sweets aren't really my thing. I am actually hoping they have lots of exotic meats on the aussie stand for me to try, so maybe I won't be going off piste as much Smile

SpringGoddess · 12/07/2012 20:53

jins 9 years maintaining is amazing, well done! Reassuring to know I'm not the only one who struggles to believe the weight is gone.
I was wondering what kind of rules you follow to maintain. Did you just stay in the second phase with occasional treats? That's what I seem to be doing atm.

SingingTunelessly · 12/07/2012 21:10

Amex, I'm no expert as this is a new way of eating to me (thanks to BIWI) but looking at your list it doesn't seem quite right although I can't put my finger on why exactly. Mmm. Maybe a bit high on vegs. Yellow pepper could be fairly carby maybe. Do you roast the chicken in oil? Do you use butter? Are you losing weight?

For what it's worth, I don't have the bad taste in my mouth but am losing and appetite is so diminshed it doesn't appear properly until the evening although when I first started this woe I was on three meals a day plus snacks.

Hopefully BIWI, Jins, Queen or one of the more experienced LC's will be along soon.

Spring, am loving the slinky dress. Smile

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