Bootcamp Week 10 - Pretty Perfect!

[BIWItheBold]

Morning campers!

Today's sermon is about cheating. There's been plenty of it along the way and there will be plenty more of it in the future.

It is important to accept that this is and is going to be a fact, as (hopefully) this is about a way of eating, rather than a diet. That means that sometimes there will be occasions and circumstances where it's impossible to keep the carbs down. The classic is when you're invited to dinner and your hosts serve you something 'forbidden', like pasta or rice.

Every now and then you will find that you also have a 'fuck it' moment. Where, for whatever reason, you eat something you shouldn't. It happens.

So.

If you're going to do it, do it right!

If circumstances are beyond your control - e.g. the dinner party - don't stress about it. If you've deliberately gone off piste, don't feel guilty about it. Enjoy the moment while you're in it.

What is absolutely critical is what you do next.

Beware that you will crave carbs and don't let yourself spiral out of control into a mammoth carb fest! Make sure that the 2-3 days immediately afterwards are strictly low carb, and drink plenty of water. And avoid the scales for the next few days!

Here endeth the lesson.

Yeah but but but what's the carb count for a teaspoon. I just think its a far healthier option than sweeteners if he's really struggling for alternatives.

(And and it will be my first drink in aaaaaages )

puffy the way I understand it it's not about the carb count (although that does make a difference) it's about the source. e.g. you could eat nothing but meat and butter for the day and then eat a slice of bread, which would keep your carb count low for the whole day, but that slice of bread would provoke an insulin response which would allow the body to store fat. likewise a teaspoon of honey would mean the effects of low carbing would grind to a halt

Here's the link again. In case this one doesn't work, it's in long life drinks, and it's a litre carton of no added sugar cranberry juice

Oh look - another disappearing link! Why does that keep happening to me?!

www.sainsburys.co.uk/groceries/index.jsp?bmUID=1340555370950

puffy - there could still be a lot of carbs in that, and you will end up with a spike in your blood sugar, provoking a release of insulin.

And beer is way too carby to be drinking - honestly and seriously - you need to really get to grips with this WOE!

Coming late to this but just wanted to say... Vnmum, you look fantastic. You can really see the nice shape of the muscles in your shoulders and legs. You must sve worked really hard. I am so envious of ou flat tummy too.

I was teasing about the beer. So is wine better then? I don't generally drink, it's a once in a blue moon thing as bfeeding.

Maybe I belOng on a more primal thread as I'm sort of doing a combination of GAPS primal and low carb I suppose. You're all just so nice though

Thank goodness, puffy

Yes wine is better than beer - although still heavy on the carbs, depending on how much you drink, of course.

(You really think I'm nice, despite me shouting at you all the time?! )

What does GAPS stand for? I know nothing about it.

I know I'm not strictly boot camping, but this is still kind of the only place I fit - looking at all the other threads and yes I think you talk mucho sense and keep everyone ticking along nicely motivated and I like that too :) I guess it's because I'm hungry for knowledge too and there's stacks of that on this thread!

GAPS is gut and psychology syndrome. It's a diet tailored for autistic children but is also excellent for allergies and atopic conditions (my kids) and candida / allergies (me). It's largely primal low carb, involves a lot of meat stock and cultured vegetables. The book is amazing with regard to gut health (balance of commensal bacteria and how they impact on our health). It's not a weight loss diet it's a healthful diet but many of the principles around this way of eating are similar.

Hi all -missed ya all. Hello newbies. So mum was well enough to go away for the golden wedding weekend, dad was not too bad re dementia, sister and b in law only had one row. I got photo book in time despite the fact photos are bandits. Did not lc properly this weekend but am cool whatever I weigh tomorrow is fine, back on now I am home.

celery with pate, cheese, boiled egg and greek yog with blueberries for lunch

roast lamb with leeks spring greens and peas for tea

DH and DS1 made orange and nut flapjack. Have resisted (so far) but COME OOOOONN!

Hello havent been here for a couple of weeks went on a hen weekend and the following week was a bit of a carb fest I put a couple of pounds back on but im back into the swing of it now and ready too lose more weight :)

BIWI - interesting article about calories - but it mentions not actually cooking with olive oil - do you know why??

Now I do advocate this WOE but I do think there is something not working in my body as I have still not lost any weight in 6 (?) weeks apart from the first gush (which happened in about the first 4 days). I've reached a dead-end and, as you know, have gone to the doctors and am awaiting test results but I am so desperately unhappy that I have to experiment with other 'tweaks'. I don't think I could cut down on my carbs much more so I need to try other stuff ie cutting down on calories and/or other supplements.

Sorry for going on about myself again - whilst I do enjoy reading about everyone's success it also does remind me of my/my body's utter failure despite all my efforts, and I need to lose so much more than a lot of you....

Anyway off to watch England and hope that will cheer me up...

moonshine I'm the Queen of tweaks :) I've done the Fat fast, carb loading, Atkins 72, you name it :)

Firstly in some people calories do count and it's also quite important where the calories come from. I found that I'm mildly intolerant to cauliflower, too much and my weight goes up. Decreasing carbs even further may not be the solution either. Supplements can help but I think that intolerances tend to be at the bottom of slow weight loss.

Can I suggest 3 days on Atkins 72. I used to have a website with the rules set out but it was on Geocities and it's gone :(

In summary though

The Diet Revolution Rules (Level One)

1. Don?t count calories
2. Eat as much of the allowed foods as you need to avoid hunger.
3. Don?t eat when you are not hungry.
4. Don?t feel you must finish everything on your plate just because it is there.
5. Drink as much water or calorie-free beverages as thirst requires. Don?t restrict fluids? but it is not necessary to force them either.
6. Frequent small meals are preferable.
7. If weakness results from rapid weight loss, you may need salt.
8. Everyday take a high-strength multivitamin pill.
9. Read the labels on ?low-calorie? drinks, syrups, desserts. Only those with no carbohydrate content are allowed.

The First Life-Changing Week, eat nothing that is not on the list.

Meat: Steaks, Corned beef, Lamb chops, tongue, Hamburgers, Bacon, Any kind of meat in any quantity?except meat with fillers such as sausage, hot dogs, meatballs, most packaged ?cold cuts?
Fowl: Duckling, Turkey, Chicken, Anything with wings, No stuffing
Desserts: Gelatin with artificial sweeteners
Condiments: Salt, pepper, mustard, horseradish, vinegar, vanilla, and other extracts; artificial sweeteners; any dry powdered spice that contains no sugar
Drinks: Water, Mineral water, Vichy, Club soda; Beef or Chicken broth, bouillon; Sugar free diet soda; coffee*, tea, decaffeinated coffee
-----*Special note on caffeine and Diet Cola. Because most heavy people have some hypoglycaemia, coffee, which contains caffeine, should be limited to six servings a day (cups). If you know you have low blood sugar, better limit it to three.
Fish: All fish, including canned salmon, tuna; any kind of seafood, including oil-packed and smoked, except oysters, clams, muscles, scallops, and pickled fish
Eggs: Boiled, fried, scrambled, poached, omelet ? any style and without limitations
Salads: Two small green salads a day (each less than one cupful, loosely packed) made only of leafy greens, celery, or cucumbers and radishes. Dressings with vinegar, oil, salt, dry spices, herbs, grated cheese, or anchovies. Or else a sour pickle in place of a salad. Plus? green olives.
Butter & Mayonnaise Fats: Butter, margarine , oils, shortening , lard & mayonnaise.
Juice: Juice of one lemon or lime
Cheese: Four ounces a day of any hard aged cheese. No cream cheese or cheese spreads.
Heavy Cream: Four teaspoons a day. (Cream has less carbohydrate than milk ? so don?t use milk)

Diet Revolution Salad Material: Celery, Chicory, Chinese Cabbage, Chives, Cucumber, Endive, Escarole, Fennel, lettuce, Olives (Green or Black), Onions, Pickles (Sour or Dill), Parsley, Peppers, Radishes, Scallions, watercress.

Please note there are no vegetables!

Thanks whip .

Had a lie in today so had a brunch of chorizo, mushroom and cheese omelette. Tea was a lovely roast chicken with baby corn, medditeranean roast veg and asparagus. To up the fat content I added butter to the veg and on top of the chicken (yum) and also had a small avocado.
Still not hungry so that is good.

Roll on WI tomorrow

moonshine re the olive oil - apparently you shouldn't always cook with it because it's not stable at high heat levels. I think it's okay for stuff cooked on a lowish heat but tbh I use groundnut oil for frying and keep olive oil for salads etc.

Sorry you're feeling bad atm - what've you been eating for the last couple of weeks? Apparently a big plate of creamed mushrooms is a good cure for a stall?! Can you post a few day's worth of menus? Despite my evangelism for this WOE I'm willing to accept that, for some people, tweaks may be needed. Some people do lose better by watching calories etc. But don't give up on us completely

B - protein shake
L - three strawberries and whipped cream snaffled out of a cream tea
D - 3 eggs scrambled with mushrooms, asparagus, bacon
Also had a snack of 50g of salted almonds.

Not great in terms of veg etc, but if you consider that I spent the better half of today sitting in between the burger-and-hot-dog-van and the cake stall at ds's school fair, pretty good really! I have refused so much cake, icecream and other crap today!

Am now watching England with ds and a glass of wine. I may have a bit of Lindt 70% later.

Half time and my heart rate's gone up (good exercise for it, this football!)

Jins - thanks so much for posting all of that - have never heard of Atkins 72 but I am willing to try anything so yes I will give it a go, although I may still keep a little eye on cals. Interesting about the cold cut packaged meats not being allowed as I do eat a fair bit of them.

Tea - thanks for sympathy (ha, tea and sympathy!)- if I'm honest this week has not been totally good (too much consoling wine ) but maybe I will start posting my daily menu and you can then all tell me I am deluding myself about trying everything I can.

I absolutely love mushrooms - do you mean mushrooms cooked in double cream (I hope so cos I could cope with that!)?

Atkins 1972 was the first version of the Atkins diet. I have the original book and it's a phenomenal read. His enthusiasm shines through :)

Packaged meats are a bit dodgy because of the preservatives. That may be where you are having a problem. Try cutting them out first, cook your own if you get a chance.

Calories will look after themselves on the original Atkins diet.

Yep, mushrooms sauted in double cream - I'd add some Philly or Boursin as well I read about it on the Idiot Proof Diet site - they all seem to swear by it on there!

Sounds like a tastier option...

Do tea's suggestion first :)

I had mushrooms in double cream for dinner! With leftover roast chicken, bacon, chives and hard goats' cheese, poured onto a bed of spinach. Mmm. Would have added garlic but there wasn't any.

Thanks for the cranberry juice idea, BIWI!

Oooh, is WI tomorrow? Please will somebody add me to the spreadsheet? Started on 16 June at 11 stone 5. Do you need any more info?

Never mind the football, the anti-fat advocates would be having serious palpitations at the talk of all this butter, cream and cheese - in one dish!

Olives are allowed on the Atkins 72 [does a little dance]. But not tomatoes or soft cheese (never mind, needs must)

mushrooms in cream really help you get past a stall? wow. i might try it too lol. sympathy for u moonshine - i am also in the same boat and haven't lost any except the difference is i haven't stuck to it religiously. i did lose a kilo but think ive gained it back....oh well. as long as im making some kind of progress with eating well im going to be pleased...it can only get better.