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The Pretty Extraordinary Low Carb Diet Thread

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QueenStromba · 22/02/2012 16:17

A continuation of The Rather Amazing Low Carb Diet Thread.

OP posts:
BIWI · 12/03/2012 14:23

GOML - this from my low carb site:

^"o few calories:
One should be careful not to eat too few calories. A large calorie deficit will cause what some call "starvation mode". In this mode the body's metabolism has been lowered thereby your actual calorie needs are lowered and you will not see progress even though you are in taking less calories.
The generally recommended calculation is 10 - 12 calories x current weight(lbs). Depending on your activity level this range could need adjustments. If you've tried this formula for a period of time (many weeks) and have not seen any progress, you might want to try slowly adjusting your calories either up or down over a period of weeks. But be very careful. Cutting your calories too far can result in losing Lean Body Mass (LBM) and slowing down your metabolism."^

BIWI · 12/03/2012 14:23

Sorry - that should start 'too few'

BIWI · 12/03/2012 14:32

And this:

Everyone experiences a slowing down or stopping of weight loss at some point in their diet. Listed below are a few things that may help you understand why and what you can do to get moving again.

Water.
Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Weight-----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

Citric acid.
Citric acid, a common ingredient in diet drinks, can stall weight loss for some lowcarbers. If you are sensitive to this ingredient it can slow you down.

Caffeine.
Many lowcarbers drink caffeine and still lose weight. You may want to wean yourself off caffeine to see if it helps. In Atkins' book, The New Diet Revolution, it says that you aren't allowed caffeine because it triggers an insulin response, but that information has since been found to be incorrect. The insulin response that Atkins saw in his patients was more likely due to citric acid. Do keep in mind that one cup of coffee can have roughly .6g of carbs, so make sure to add those into your daily carb allowance.

Dairy
Dairy can be a problem for some people. If you experience slow or stalled weight loss try reducing or eliminating dairy, especially cheese. Some have found better results by cutting all dairy. Although cheese is allowed on lowcarb plans it does seem to effect weight loss if consumed in high quantities.

Nitrites
Nitrites - found in processed meats like hot dogs and bacon can cause problems for some, you may want to monitor their effect.

Alcohol
This is an area that seems to vary a great deal between individuals. While it is true that many alcohol products contain few carbs, alcohol itself is a fuel source. The body will choose to burn alcohol before any other source of fuel. However, many people have reported that they are able to consume moderate amounts of alcohol while on low-carb without having any problems. As most people are already aware, alcohol has a depressant effect which lowers inhibitions, including those that could stop you from overeating and making poor food choices.

Menstrual Cycle
Many women find that their progress is affected by their menstrual cycle. After a few months, you will have an idea of how your cycle affects weight loss, and you will be able to take it into account when measuring your losses. People have noted the following interactions between low carb eating and the menstrual cycle in women include: heightened carb cravings in the second half of the cycle, ketosis levels dropping or disappearing altogether, differences in the amount and severity of cramps, changes in the heaviness and timing of the cycle. Additionally it has been noted that a low-carb diet is very helpful to women with PCOS.

Protein
Although getting adequate protein is of vital importance on a low-carb plan, taking in too much protein can also be a problem. You will need enough dietary protein to avoid any muscle loss and to produce some necessary glucose. Protein is converted to glucose at a rate of roughly 58%. Therefore, too much protein can produce too much glucose. If you are having problems with staying in ketosis (or getting into ketosis), you may need to track your intake of protein and then make adjustments. It is highly recommended that you don't restrict your intake of protein in the initial adaptation stage of starting a low-carb plan.

Glycerine
One of the recurring issues of stalls and labelling discrepancies regards many of the low-carb protein bars currently on the market. While the true carb count of the bars is low, most of these bars contain glycerine. Although glycerine is not a carb, it can be metabolised like a carb by some individuals. Additionally, it can cause muscle cells to hold water, hence its use by some athletes.

Prescribed Medicines
There are a number of medicines that can interfere with weight loss, the worst offenders are the psychotropic drugs; phenothiazines, tranquillisers, anti-depressants, etc. The next are hormones such as oestrogen, prednisolone and other steroids. Many anti-arthritic drugs especially NSAIDS, diuretics and to a lesser degree other cardiovascular medications. You cannot stop these medications! Atkins suggests that you can gradually replace the drug with diet and suitable supplements. Do not stop medications without consulting your Doctor!!!

Hormonal Balance
A significant percentage of people, who have difficulty losing weight, have an under-active thyroid. The typical symptoms are; mental and physical slowness, lethargy, memory loss, heavy periods, a hoarse voice, increased weight and intolerance of the cold. The eyes may become swollen, the skin dry, and the hair ?lifeless?. Constipation is also common. You can ask your doctor for a thyroid function test if you think you may have this condition.

For more information: www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/organ/thyroid.html

TheRealMrsHannigan · 12/03/2012 14:33

Well the five spice pork was delicious, I have asked our chef for the recipe. I had a serving of that with steamed broccoli, stirfried courgette and bean shoots, some salad leaves and cucumber from the salad bar and a hard boiled egg, which was a bit random but I find eggs really filling, so will help me to resist biscuits this afternoon.

lemniscate · 12/03/2012 14:34

AngryFeet - I'm really struggling with the Thai sugar thing as DH and I cook Thai about 3 times a week and pretty much all our recipes have sugar in. However, they do tend to only have 1 or 2 tsp for a dressing - Thai cuisine is all about quite a subtle balance of sweet and sour and all the other flavours rather than loads of sugar being thrown in. When I'm off the induction, I'm going to start experimenting with stevia and/or may accept that I will use up some carbs on my Thai dressings and sauces and watch other things more closely. Anyway, wrt the restaurant I would be tempted to be very very strict with yourself on the carbs the rest of the day (and maybe day after too) and go for things that have less carby veg in as well. Then enjoy it, as Thai is delicious, and try not to worry about the sugar. Some of the things I'd consider are:

Starters - the bok choi, morning glory (spinachy type veg), crab, chicken wings or tempura without the dressing

Soup - the Thai spicy soup

Mains - numbers 33,34,35,37

Let me know how it is - I live v close to Brighton so would be interested in trying it some day!

TheRealMrsHannigan · 12/03/2012 15:09

Oooh I've been to that restaurant before, it was delicious, anjoy it Angryfeet. I'd go with Lemniscate's suggestion.

kandinskysgirl · 12/03/2012 18:01

Hi all, well my weigh in isn't technically till Wednesday but so far I have lost 5lb so I am happy and feeling like I could actually, maybe, possibly get to a place where I can buy clothes I like rather than whatever makes me look the least pregnant. However that is still a way off yet.

Does anyone have a recipe/method for cauliflower cheese at all? I fancy making it tonight for DP and I.

lemniscate · 12/03/2012 18:25

Hi Kandinsky - well done! I'm a daily weigher as it has really helped me maintain rather than gain in the past and I seem to be 4lbs down in 4 days :) it's very exciting and motivating.

Delia does a cauli cheese that uses creme Fraiche and no flour. Google 'delia cauliflower two cheeses' for the recipe (sorry can't link as on phone and not quite worked it out yet!) you can just use any cheese. DH and i Do this at least as often as normal cauli cheese. Lovely with pasta [wistful emoticon]

Had a moment with DD and a biscuit earlier. DS has made some, they had one for a snack, DD didn't eat all of hers, and handed it to me. It was the first time I've had to talk myself out of shoving something forbidden in my mouth!

BIWI · 12/03/2012 18:52

Well done for resisting, though!

flipflopflap · 12/03/2012 19:07

Kandinsky, I do similar to the Delia method but usually with cream. I put it into a pan and bung a load of cheese in, you can add a bit of milk or water if it's too thick once the cheese has melted. That's my staple LC cheese sauce and it's very tasty Smile

BerylStreep · 12/03/2012 20:20

Hi all,
I'm just back from 10 days skiing, which was great. Snow was fab, weather perfect, and I skiied like a demon!
Weighed myself this morning, and amazingly, I haven't put on any weight, despite a few croissants and quite a lot of wine. It must have been all that exercise.
Anyhow, back on the straight and narrow from now on.

I have a lot of catching up to do on this thread!

BIWI · 12/03/2012 20:20

Wow! What an achievement, Beryl!

GetOrfMoiiLand · 12/03/2012 20:29

Thanks very much bIWI - that is really interesting reading.

I think it is pretty clear thinking about it that i have been sneaking sugar here and there - bloody options and jellies. Grin

beryl that is insane that you have been to the lands of fondue, rosti, jagermeister and gluhwein and haven't out on weight. I hope you had a lovely time

AngryFeet · 13/03/2012 07:46

WI today and another 1.5lb down. So 8.5lbs in 3 weeks. Not too bad although I was expecting a bit more to be honest as I seem to lose quite a bit in the first few weeks on low cal diets. However I have still been drinking so might try cutting that out after my friends do at the weekend. My dairy consumption has not been high either. Will plod on though. I was hoping to be another 10lbs down for my holiday in 4 weeks but it doesn't look like that will happen at this rate :(

BIWI · 13/03/2012 08:03

But it's another 1.5lbs, AngryFeet - visualise it as three packs of butter!

Ongoing, sustainable weight loss - on any diet - should be 1-2lbs a week, so you are ahead of that.

And you also need to know that weight loss is not linear. You may plod along with little/no loss, or even a slight gain, and then suddenly lose a 'lump'. Also, weeks 3, 4 and/or 5 can see your weight loss slow/stop/revers a little. I have no idea why this happens, but I've seen it reported so often on the low carb forum I use - you need to be psychologically prepared for it.

This is exactly what has just happened to me. I am now in week 6. Weeks 3, 4 and 5 saw me drop overall by only a couple of pounds.

Yesterday I dropped a pound. This morning I have dropped 3!

Don't compare this WOE with low calorie dieting. There really isn't any comparison. Get hold of a copy of Dr John Briffa's book Escape The Diet Trap to read how doing low calorie can cause more problems than it solves! And just think of all the lovely food (and the quantities of food) you can eat doing low carb.

lemniscate · 13/03/2012 10:01

Morning all! Any tips for snacks? Not needing them hugely but when I do nuts don't quite do it (although I'm just eating plain - can I do roasted/salted/smoked?) and I tend to have cheese in meals or as a pudding substitute so don't want to go crazy on cheese.

TheRealMrsHannigan · 13/03/2012 10:34

Lemniscate, I have been snacking on slices of ham, the occasional boiled egg and slices of cucumber with a thin spread of cream cheese as I don't like nuts.

flipflopflap · 13/03/2012 10:43

Olives if you like them, Avocado with cold meats, peanut butter on celery (or just out the jar like I do Blush) Devilled eggs are really also yummy.

PostBellumBugsy · 13/03/2012 11:28

Bovril gets me through the morning. I have a huge mug at about 11am & its slightly salty soup likeness gets me through to lunchtime.

QueenStromba · 13/03/2012 11:50

Tins of fish, smoked mackerel, smoked salmon - all good to get your omega 3 up. You could cut a couple of chicken breasts into pieces, cooke them and stick them in a box in the fridge.

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CointreauVersial · 13/03/2012 13:18

I sometimes buy those whole salami-type sausages (sausisson sec? - Waitrose and Tesco do them). Then I cut some into cubes and keep a tupperware in the fridge - perfect little snacks, and nicer than the plasticy thin slices. A few of those, a few cubes of cheese, some olives and some cucumber - perfect lunch.

PrincessTamTam · 13/03/2012 13:42

Soooo fed up, not lost a thing, infact put on 1.5 lbs when I weighed yesterday. Have been really good - only half a glass of wine on the weekend and a few cashews. I think it's because I really cannot exercise, or even move around like I normally do because of my inflamed broken foot, but it really is DOING my head in. I feel like I am about to fall off the wagon... I do not want to be the fat person on holiday this year! Aaaarrrggghhh. Sad
My physio said I could now do some swimming, which I don't like (unless on hol with lovely hot sun!) but will try that tomorrow.

londonone · 13/03/2012 15:35

Hello ladies, may I join you? Started low carb on Sunday using Atkins and IPD as my bibles. Seems to be going well so far but have had a hideous headache for the last few days. Think I am definitely suffering from sugar and caffeine withdrawal as have gone cold turkey on Diet Coke which I was drinking A LOT of and also was something of a chocolate fiend.

Feeling quite inspired on the food front though. Celeriac dauphinoise rocks!

RatherBeOnThePiste · 13/03/2012 15:58

and I'm back in the room......

RatherBeOnThePiste · 13/03/2012 15:59

and back on the wagon....

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