Paul McKenna's No Pain, No Pain, Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends. Thread 8

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions.
The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us. We are friendly, supportive and successful but we're not hungry!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

Hi all,
welcome southsea, i'm starting day 3 today too.
Well so far pretty good. Day 1 was brilliant, seemed so easy- no work that day. Day 2 was more challenging but thursday always the worst day for eating me as its a very long day at work and i get home bad tempered and stressed, not to mention the amount of bicsuits i usually consume at work itself. However was miles better than usual.

Two things i've noticed straight away, i chucked away some salsa i didnt really like- unheard of for me! I never chuck out food, i'll freeze it or turn it into something else. I also decided i didnt really want to eat the food i'd taken to work and went to the coop and got a fish pie that was half price instead, much nicer. Stuck other lunch in freezer for when its what i really want.

Planning when to eat will be challenging. On wednesday i ended up having a very late lunch due to an appointment, Dp and i eat pretty much the same time every night (this cant be mucked around with for him due to health reasons), so i wasn't that hungry when we sat down. I ate enough though, ate slowly etc and then didn't touch anything else all night. I've listened to the CD every night so far.

Hello PMK'ers :)

I've been lurking since I first posted several weeks ago and I'm back again with another question.
For those of you who live in more rural areas (like me), what do you do about food shopping? I've only got myself to feed, I'm on a budget (like most of us no doubt) and I tend to only shop once a week. The nearest decent food shop - apart from our village butcher - is 10 miles away. Soo...how do you fit your supermarket visits to the PMK rules..for example eating what you want. Do you find you can only make it work if you shop on a daily basis, or do you try to plan ahead?

I can't help on the weekly shop Malory as I'm a townie and am constantly in and out of the local shops. But even if I'm not going to the shop, there is usually something in the fridge I fancy eating. But in your position I would just buy a stock of things you generally like. Just don't buy shite diet foods with lots of unhealthy sweeteners and stuff unless that's what you really want to eat.

Eating not great but not bad either. I am off for a run in a minute. And nothing makes me feel better than exercising masochistically in the rain

You're not that far from me nora, and it's bloody pissing down here.

And me washing got all wet.

I'm doing well this week. Not weighed, but feeling thinner iykwim. But takeaway tonight!

Hi everyone - i've still got a cold and have a stinking headache for two days :) :) I've lived on cuppa soup and digestive biscuits today as feel a bit sick with bad 'ed

Mallorymad i live about four miles from a sainsburys and, like Mardy says i tend to get in the things i like and stock the freezer up too - its never (so far) been an issue for me

Mardy twas wet and freezing and a masochist's wet dream Much more running than walking went on today and it felt great. Came home and had a really delicious supper and dried of in front of the wood burner and am about to have a cup of tea in bed with a book. Life is sweet!

Just realised that as DH is out I can lie in bed and listen to the CD. Even better

MardyBra you are right, my 'nibbly' phases are not real hunger, just that 'I'm bored, I fancy eating something' type of mood. I realised that I'd got one of the golden rules wrong. Instead of 'eat when you are hungry' I'd thought it was 'eat when you want' not quite the same thing. So I understand it now!!!

Have been doing well on the exercise but ended up getting a wee bit pished with a friend this afternoon and so the eating bit went out of the window. But this system feels quite easy to pick up again after a wee fall of the wagon, there doesn't seem to be that feeling of 'oh god, i've ruined an entire day' which I get if I cock up a diet iykwim.

Hope all the poorly folk on the thread feel better soon.

Thanks Crazy and Mardy. I'm going to get some nice stuff in for the freezer, but also read back through an old thread and realised that I've probably interpreted it 'eat what you want' a bit wrong. It's actually more about eating things you like, rather than scarfing down some hideous low fat cottage cheese thing. I was thinking it meant that I have to decide exactly what I want to eat and then go and get it right then.
Gawd I'm babbling - bedtime!

Hello, I'm back after a long absence too. I lost 3 stones last year using the extremely-sensible-and-common-sense eating principles of PMcK. But 1 stone has crept back on due to illness/Xmas/Easter so I am going back to the four golden rules - going back to basics. I'm excited to be here again as I had so much success with "normal eating" that I know it works :)

Blimey P.Mkeners.!!!! This thread moves so fast I'm just popping in to say hello to everyone and welcome to all the newbies (BTW you've found the BEST eating plan on this page and EVER ).See y'all in a week or so.!!!

Morning Paulers!
Count me fully in! I had been lurking and flip flopping around, about going on a diet vs Doing Paul. Read through a couple of the old threads here last night and became convinced this is it for me. I've tried everything else and frankly I'm sick to death of restrictive diets/starving/counting blah blah. I do need to lose some quite a lot of weight and would dearly love to shift 2/3 stone by Christmas for a special holiday, but if it's slower than that so be it.
So last night, I had a nice supper, which I ate slowly and savoured every bite as well as I could. How hard is it to NOT just shove it in and hardly taste it?! I left about half of the chicken breast, so that's for breakfast this morning. I'm getting hungry now so I'm going to have it with a tomato and some oatcakes, just what I fancy right now.

PP have a good trip!
BsshBossh - welcome back! 3 stone is amazing, well done. I'm sure you'll soon be back into it.

Morning. I need to read this properly and catch up. Am off track in spectacular style, but intend to get a grip as I will be back at work on Monday. DD's counts much better, so hopefully she will be going to school although she remains in exile until at least midweek. (We are having a new bathroom in; she can't be around building work. It was supposed to be done by yesterday, so we've been hiding out in a cancer charity caravan at haven whilst they did it. She will now have to go to Grandma's until they get it done.)

I am trying to learn to be more detached; it's tough. Another child we know has had some very bad news (tumours spread all over his brain). It's so hard. But me going to pieces with every bit of bad news is not helping me. It's just making me incredibly fat.

DD is back on chemo, although they are lowering her dose, as her body doesn't seem to deal well with full amount.

I just want this to be done with. But I don't think it ever will be.

Anyway, enough whinging. I will have a read and catch up properly when I get home.

Kinky you're not whinging - its good that you can come on here and offload - you must being going through hell and if it helps you to come on here then keep doing it. Sending a virtual (((()))) XX

Welcome all the newbies and returnees
My cold and bad head are on the way out, thankfully
I'm trying to keep to the pmk rules.

Wow BsshBosh 3 stone is very inspiring, and well done for coming back after a bit of a fall off the wagon.

I think I'm starting to really get the hang of this, I just seem to be very aware of the fact that I am not hungry, and the urge to run into the kitchen and raid the cupboards has just gone! Is this the CD working its magic? Also, I've spent all day today actually looking forward to doing my exercise dvd this evening. This is so not me! Malory it's bizarre how food really does taste different on this 'system', even my morning porridge tastes delicious. .

Very sorry to hear what you are going through Kinky it must be unimaginably difficult for you.

I am new to this thread but I really want to join. I tried PMK a few years ago for 2 weeks and lost about 12 lbs. But I did not continue with it. It is a trend of mine. I am hoping with the support of the group who are doing the same thing, I might get back on it starting today. It's great that I can say that because with diets I always had to go out and get the right foods so could not start straight away. I must get the CD onto the MP3 so I can listen to it at night. I have to say that I am not keen on the visualisation exercises as I just couldn't do it, but even though I only listened to the CD and followed the rules, I still managed to lose 12lbs in 2 weeks. I have about 12 stone to lose. I know it's a lot but as long as I lose, even if it's a lb a week, that is progress to me. Better down than up. The GP has clearly told me that I have no future if I don't get my weight under control. My husband is worried as I can barely walk up the stairs without pain in my knees and my daughter has lost all faith in me because I start and stop continuously. It's my 36th birthday next Tuesday and I feel like a complete failure. I see how my mother is suffering with her weight and all the health complications she has and it's like I can see my future but it is so hard to stick to something. So please, support me as I get back in the saddle using PMK. Sorry for the long post

welcome rosylee i'm new to this , today is day 5. I only have 1 stone , maybe little bit more to lose so I can see how in surmountable your goal might seem but if you stick with it you will get there! Little by little is the way to go, i'd be very happy to lose 1 pound a week.
I find some of the visualisation difficult so instead I just imagine a famous person who i think looks great and focus on what it would be like to look like her, i imagine myself as having her body and being her. I just find it easier than trying to imagine my own body being toned and slim. Maybe others have some good tips?

Hi Rosylee I'm new too. I think deciding to listen to the CD every day may be a good idea for you. It may sound weird but something has definitely changed in my ability to register my non-hunger in a way I honestly don't think I've ever had before.

Also, perhaps really try and get it into your head that this is NOT a diet, it is simply a way of changing the way that your body and mind process food / hunger / taste etc. Have you bought the new version of the book, there is a section about self-sabotage and how to avoid it that you may find useful.

Exercise is DEFINITELY key as well, no matter how gentle to start with. It is so positive for our mental states (I'm someone who has had quite bad depression at times). So it may be a case of setting yourself small challenges re exercising, just a 5 minute walk round the block to start with, adding 5 minutes on every few days or something similar? I'm sorry you're in such a difficult place, but you totally CAN do it, remember this plan is not about denial, which is a state that most humans cannot put up with for more than a short period of time. Good luck!

re the visualisation I think it's important to try them even if you don't believe them as such, because in theory they will start to have an impact anyway. And blackcats idea of imagining someone else's body to start with is recommended by PMK if you find it too hard to visualise yourself

Welcome Rosylee you have come to the right place. You know that Pauling works and now you have a support network to keep you on track! Yes it's a big goal but like you say, it's slow and steady. You need to concentrate on changing your attitude to food and exercise - and your attitude towards yourself! You can change, we will help you!
kinky I think you're simply trying to play the hand you've been dealt. I'm glad to hear DD might be ready to go back to school soon.
Re the visualising, I think of my friend who is a dance teacher. She's obviously physically fit, gets lots of exercise but she loves her food too! She just seems really comfortable in her skin.

Thanks for the very warm welcome. I know that PMK works, and yes, I know that it is not a diet which is refreshing. For me the key things are eating consciously and slowly because I love watching TV while I eat. I also know that when I do eat I eat fast on the whole, even if not in front of the TV so, the two together is really helpful. Though this is my first day, and its not over yet, I have already eaten significantly less than I normally would. Put it this way, I normally would have 5 or 6 pieces of chicken with my side dish of batchelors rice, but today I only had a couple of wings with half the rice. I know it is early day! but I feel very positive, mostly because I have support now through you all. When I first did PMK I could not find a PMK group online. It never occurred to me there would be one on MN.

As for the visualisation, it's more than I just can't see myself slim, as I am now. Having said that, its only now occurred to me that I have photos of myself at 17 looking slim. So I think if I just picture that instead, at least it is real to me. I wasn't skinny, just a healthy size 12, so it seems realistic. I will never look that good I know, but at least I know I was that once and so it is easier to recall than visualise, if that makes sense.

I have the new book, and will also try to use the success journal. I have already downloaded the CD so tonight I will be going to bed with it. Believe or not, I even did 20 steps on the bottom of the stairs and 60 arm reps with the dumbells, ok, they are 2.5lbs only but still for me an achievement as I hate exercise.

Will keep you all posted.

Hi and welcome Rosylee. I've also got lots to lose and have got dodgy knees too. I've been swimming a lot and doing aquarobics as it's easier on the knees. And also nobody can see me wobbling under the water.

Been for a run again! Getting fitter really quickly. Lovely, sun just going down and a cool breeze. Food not so good again. I really want something sweet but am not at all hungry. May have a hot blackcurrant!

I am knee deep in a report for work which is due for tomorrow and the way it is going I won't be going to sleep until the wee hours (if I am lucky). So, I last ate around 5pm as I was hungry. What I want to know is, if I get hungry at around 10pm tonight - I tend to get hungry every 5 hours (which is normal I think, especially if you have been pauling which I have) should I eat? being that it is so late and all?