Paul McKenna's No Pain, No Pain, Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends. Thread 8

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions.
The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us. We are friendly, supportive and successful but we're not hungry!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

We do eat pretty well already, but I do let them have chocolate and they eat white bread. At mealtimes DD will often pick out the veg/pulses and eat the rest, so she's having to accept that she will need to try to eat some of it! I've never forced them to eat anything as they do eat a variety, and I was always made to finish everything which I don't think helped my attitude to food.

I'm just sad for her as it's yet another thing. The only way we treat at the moment is picking her up some mini eggs, or somesuch chocolate. I know this isn't the best way, but we were told by nutritionist at the start to let her eat what she wants: they are mainly concerned by weight loss. She can't go many places/do much, so buying her bits of what she fancies has kept her spirits up. She's miserable today. I'm going to take her to get her nails done mid week as she loves stuff like that. I'm also doing her a reward chart so she gets a sticker for every healthy day she manages, then I will pay her for them. Money talks to a 13 yr old!

Secretly, I am bloody terrified that the damage could be more extensive. He said that he wasn't too worried about her counts, but he would need to do something about it within 6 months . They've been like this for a year now. To me, this means something serious is going on. It does sound like chemo drugs could have caused some damage.

It's all a bit shit and I feel quite fed up for her today.

Kinky I do hope they can get to the bottom of it all The liver is an amazing organ and has astonishing self-renewing abilities. Your DD is in my thoughts often.

We went to pizza express for tea today, first meal out since the Pauling has really clicked for me in the past month so I was a bit nervous in case it all went to pot.
I ate about half the amount I usually would, plus I had steered clear of any mid-afternoon snacking in anticipation. We were home by 6.30 to put the boys to bed and I haven't eaten a thing since, barely thought about food. Hurrah!

Morning all ! Good for you Ali!! is it yr parents who are in fr.? It was minus 12 here last night again, Dijon is further east than us so nearer Siberia!.

Kinky I was thinking of yr DD last night and remembered my book on acupressure which has amazing exercises; a lot to help our inner organs; the title is The Complete System of Self Healing and it's by dr. Stephen T. Chang you could probably get it 2nd hand on amazon as I did. It's deffo worth getting for everyone.

Have a good half term everyone

Morning ppeat - yes they are about 45 minutes south of Dijon, it hasn't got above -2 the whole week they have been there! They seem to get extremes of temperature, it will be 30 degrees minimum when we go and stay there in July Whereabouts are you?

Hope everyone has a good day. I was planning a bacon sandwich for breakfast, but I'm still not hungry after pizza yesterday so perhaps it will have to be for lunch instead!

We are between Tours and Poitiers, south of the Loire quite near Chatellerault. we are a bit hotter than England in the summer but not much. We don't like too much heat; we had a flat in Cannes 10 yrs ago and it was unbearable in the summer !!

I'm reading the book and really liking some of the ideas. It makes so much sense. There are a lot of little tips there that i'm worried i'll forget.

I think not clearing my plate will be hard. I often choose a smaller plate as I know I do this so i'll try to leave something . . . But I even usually finish off my toddlers meal if she leaves some too ! The research that toddlers normally eat their own balanced diet was in interesting. I wonder at what age all that is overridden. I think now at 3 my daughter would eat cake all day if I let her.

Really motivated about this so hoping I can get it into my head. I can't see me being able to find time to do cd every day but will try to do it often. Haven't tried it yet. I noticed it's one of a set. Did everyone get the set or is just the one with the book ok ?

My big question is about family meals. I eat with toddler and husband and enjoy having meal times. If i'm not supposed to eat if not hungry or ate half am hour before as I was hungry then how do you integrate that? Or do you just eat a small portion at meal times?

Thanks. I'm on page 54 and looking forwards to joining you all :-)

Hi using I have found that if I stop when I am full I do normally feel hungry at normal meal times. If you don't feel hungry enough for a full meal eat what you can and keep the rest in the fridge for later.

Also I did buy the set of CDs but I have never listened to them I just stick to the one with the book but as I now listen to them on a CD player instead of my iPhone I might give them a go. I need some help in the motivation to exercise department!

I have just eaten a cheese and ham salad sandwich and it was soooo nice! I'm still feeling a bit perkish so think I will now have a White chocolate aero mousse dessert. I really couldn't live on a restricted calorie diet, it just makes me want food even more!

Sorry I have gone on a bit there

Yeah like Lotsof says; also using it's an idea to get yr family to join in 'cos as you say it's the most sensible way to eat. I often have a herbal tea and glass of water and or apple etc. which helps fill me until meal times and or a bowl of soup.

I remember after it really 'clicked' being amazed that if I ate an apple slowly and consciously it actually filled me up! The chew each mouthful 15 to 20 times got me into it fast!!

Thanks solo and pp sorry I abandoned you all for so long. I'm hoping to find the time when dds are back at school next week to re read the book, I haven't been listening lately either so will carry that on next week too. We are going to ils later this week so food goes right out of my control so I will retake control after that, I have no idea what I want recently. Pp you have inspired me, I hadn't realised how far I'd slipped till I read your comment about an apple, I remember that feeling but it's gone.
kinky I don't know your whole story but I just wanted to send best wishes to your family
using I find it hard to logically explain but your meal patterns tend to fall into place to fit, if you keep aiming to eat at meal times and keep other snacks small it sort of fits. I couldn't go back to normal dieting now, I sometimes lose track of this way of eating but it does work.

Hi all, haven't been listening to the cd as muich as I need too and have slipped a bit but I think I am still better than I was.

The fast eating dc and I have a slow eating 'race' and the dc who takes forever to eat has to try and beat us (ho hum it was the easiest way to deal with the questios!).

I have continued with the couch to 5k running and I weighed myself today 12st 12! I know that weighing is against paulings principles but it does give me the motivation to keep going. I don't feel I've done that well this week but every little has obviously helped.

On the coke thing i got addicted to fat boy coke when pregnant with dc2 (was one of the few things that gave me enough of a boost in the morning to keep going. But oddly I found over the last week I don't want one every day (Yeah!) I don't know whether that's pauling or just that if I have the coke I really don't feel like breakfast til much later in the morning and I would just rather have it first thing. I'm still drinking huge quanitities of Lidl sparking water tho' (the dc's have squash with sparkling water as a treat instead of lemonade!)

Kinky really sorry to hear of more challenges for your poor dd, you are both in my thoughts.

using - I agree with everyone else about mealtimes. It was one of my big concerns when I started doing this, how it was going to fit in with family life. The answer is, a hell of a lot more easily than trying to low carb, or cut calories massively by counting or anything else.

I find that if I eat late in the evening then I'm not hungry for breakfast, but if you eat as per the rules - ie. just until you are full and then stop, then you will be naturally hungry again at the next mealtime.
You do have to be a bit sensible about it though. If it is 5pm and I'm feeling peckish, but I know that in an hour there will be dinner then I will just have something really small rather than thinking 'ooh I'm hungry, what do I fancy?' and eating a massive sandwich or something.

Good evening all.

Kinky, even when I've not posted for ages, you and your DD are in my thoughts often. I'm hoping you find some really yummy new dishes to brighten your new diet. We often have the puy lentil and spinach soup from River Cottage Veg, it's yummy!

First time on this shiny new thread, having fallen completely off the wagon. DDs 3rd birthday was this weekend and with a humungous party, DH away all week for work, DS quit sleeping at night (again), about 9 guests staying over the weekend and the ensuing clear up, I have found myself munching on chocolate birthday cake, and (eek) girdlebuster pie a few too many times. I haven't been hungry in ages

[bashes self over head] new week, new start, no long term harm done! Now DH is back I can start C25king again, at 6am with my headtorch and an invisible naughty black dog before he goes to work. Fun fun fun. I resolve to ignore the family enough to listen to the CD and post every day. It helps.

Oh dear, DH has just got out the bugles. France dwellers, I envy your ability to buy these any time you like. They are divine. I will stiffen my resolve and go do laundry.

Afternoon everyone! Doris That's a good idea an eating slowly race! ref. sparkling water I find a lot of mineral waters are too salty (they make me thirsty rather than quench my thirst!) Sparkling water and elderflower cordial is a good treat and stand in for alcohol though (for DH ).

Heynonny I'll look up that recipe it sounds nice 'cos I got that book for Xmas. The prob. with Bugles is they're too salty I agree they're lovely though!! I find salt just makes me crave sweet things.

I feel like I'm in an episode of Jeremy Kyle. Half sis has just admitted that she's started a relationship with DDs dad. FFS. Like I haven't got enough on my plate.

I've told her not to contact me again. I'm fuming. Mine and ex's relationship can be very tense, especially with DDs cancer treatment. This is only going to make things more stressful as I'm sure he won't leave the fact I've told her stay away from me.

Jeez.

Thanks for all of your kind words. We are ticking on here, trying to ignore the dramas that other people seem intent on dragging us into. DD is weirded out by it. We're not dwelling for now - we'll just pretend it's not really happening until we are forced to confront some horrible reality, like them getting married/having child/falling out in horrific style...

Jeez kinky what a couple of f*ckwits!

I think head down self protection and ignoring the drama is positively the only way to go. Down get dragged down to their gutter level. (which doesn't help much but they definitely look like a pair of shits from here too!

How's the low fat diet going what have you tried?

ppeatfruit- confession I didn't win the slow eating race tonight I cam,e back to tea on the table and I was starving I was 3/4 of the way through before i realised that I was supposed to be savouring every mouthful

I've put into practice some of what I've read today and already I can tell its made a huge difference. I've tried to drink water to see if I was hungry or not and then tried to slow down eating and just be "aware" of what I'm eating while eating it. I may not have eaten less as such but I have begun to be aware which has to be good. I'm not so good at leaving something on the plate but I've made myself! Its great to be feeling so positive about it all, I do love that its such a positive programme rather than a negative one.

I weighed today though to get a starting point and am not quite sure I will manage 2 whole weeks before weighing again!

Doris I'm past caring today. I had a good think about whether it was worth the stress, and I've decided it's not. I'm letting them get on with it. If I wanted to cause loads of family strife, I could hugely kick off, but I just don't have the energy/care enough at this point in time!

We are eating a cleaner diet, although DH and I have decided to let her continue to have treats until they tell us that it is definitely a result of diet or needs controlling by diet. Treats are more limited though, and she's eating lots more fruit and veg - she's being very sensible of her own accord. We already eat a fairly good diet, so not much difference yet. For example, we had a king prawn stir fry with spring greens, beansprouts, pepper, onion and organic soba noodles for tea last night and she had all of hers. She had fresh pineapple and raspberries for pudding. Sometimes I will do them an oven tea whilst I eat stir fry (oven chips, fishfingers, etc), but we're stopping these and all eating the healthier version.

I do not intend to make out we have a perfect diet - I wouldn't be 4st overweight if we did - it's the takeaways and the treats that need to stop! So far, so good.

Hello everyone, sorry to barge in! I've just read PM's book, have yet to listen to his CD but will listen to it tonight! :) I've started using his rules, I'm just scared/worried that I'll fall back to my usual habits... what if I don't get filled up or I eat everything on my plate? Oh well, will take some dedication I suppose and I will work hard!

Hello all. Sorry to hear you're having a hard time kinky.

excited. Don't worry. If you're still hungry - still genuinely hungry, that is - say, 30 mins after you've finished your meal, you can go and eat some more. You'll be surprised at how infrequently that happens though. But it should be genuine tummy gnawing hunger, not "I fancy a cake" hunger. I can usually find something to leave on my plate - a bread crust you're not enjoying, or just part of the meal you like less than the rest.

Good luck with it.

Thanks Mardy! I will visit this thread all the time now for inspiration and as so that I don't give up! :o

I used to get scared of being hungry between meals and would overeat as a precaution. When I'm Pauling I know I can eat when I want to, so in some ways it's a release. And, actually having your tummy rumble a bit won't hurt you and makes the next meal taste nicer iykwim. But just don't gt too hungry or you might gobble the next meal too quickly!

Welcomeelectron you're not barging in we're always happy to see Newbies and offer support,encouragement and love AAAAH! we're very unmumsnetty on this thread aren't we?

Kinky My family background sounds a bit like yrs. actually; my D. got our 16 yr old 'family friend' prg.(he was a total Axxxxle who my M. stayed with for too long) D. has been dead for years but my mum still won't talk to the woman (who's now 65!!) but i have made contact and I'm glad I did 'cos she was the victim in it all. I'm not suggesting that yr situation is the same it's just an idea to be calm and think it all through before cutting someone out of yr life esp. if you've been close.

Afternoon all BTW we've just had a lovely valentine's lunch (found a good restaurant in our local town at last!)

Thanks ppeat. I wasn't very impressed with her last year when she visited after DD was diagnosed. I was looking forward to seeing her, and really wanted a shoulder. She barely talked to me. I found out after it was because she was busy trying to organise a night out with ex without telling me, so was avoiding me. This relationship has been on the cards for some time, tbh. They've just been very sly about it, which has made me think, what's the point in trying anymore when it's obvious I don't matter. They can say I do in as many texts, emails, etc as they like - but actions speak louder than words. Their timing sucks too, like I haven't got enough on my plate. Anyway, I had my rant and I am stepping away graciously and telling them to leave me alone. When I see ex on Thurs for hospital, I will be pretending it's not happening. I like the ostrich approach. Head firmly in sand, deny, deny, deny .