Paul McKenna's No Pain, No Pain, Non Diet for those who really want to lose weight. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends. Thread 8

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONSCIOUSLY
4. STOP eating when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches. So forget diets; they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions.
The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here are the book choices on AMAZON which is all you need to get started! they aren't compulsory, but they do help! it's something to refer to.

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

Please feel free to join us. We are friendly, supportive and successful but we're not hungry!!! so come on in and start living your new life today!

I don't often leave anything on the plate. If you think you should've had enough to eat, you could always see how you feel in an hour and then decide?

Well done though, it does sound like you've got it going well :)

Yeh I struggle with leaving stuff on my plate, mainly because I don't put a lot on it in the first place often but sometimes it just seems wrong, especially if you are somebody else's house and they have made you something when leaving it will offend.

If you want more and you aren't full and you are still enjoying it, have something more. You really do have to listen to your body though which is hard. Sounds like you managed it this morning Calamity

HaveaLittle - It is a bummer they haven't come up with a dx yet but at least they are still working on you and haven't kicked you out because they don't know what else to do. Lets hope they come up with something soon. How is the hospital food btw? Is it up to Pauling 'eat what you like' standards or are you getting supplies bought in from home?

Alibaba Go DS2! To think when you joined this thread he was just a teeny tiny little fella and now he's a toddler. You've done so well too, especially considering the sleep deprivation you've had to deal with during that time.

Hello everyone welcome to Calamity Ref. snacking don't worry it does take a while for P.M.K. to become a habit. If you're hungry EAT but firstly drink a glass of water and or tea. Because i'm eating less than i ever did I DO have a snack when i'm hungry (i try not to look at the clock) It's much better to eat when you're hungry 'cos our bodies use calories just digesting food (going hungry and missing a meal makes you fat) Because your body thinks you're starving and hangs on to the calories in the way of fat when you DO eat; (i know that's true 'cos DH is fat weighs 5 stone more than me! and he thinks a cup of coffee will stand instead of a meal!

AAh bless DS2 Ali!

If you just fancy something straight after a meal (while you feel full) which (I think) P.M. calls craving then you can do the 'tapping" technique that does work I find

Fell of the PM wagon spectacularly yesterday. Think it really is drinking too much wine, which leads to crazy binge eating of chocolate. I know dieting is not the answer though, so I will listen to the CD again before dinner tonight once DS is in bed and start the 90 Day Journal (my OCDness doesn't want to spoil the pages of the book). I managed to take 20mins to eat lunch, pausing and putting down cutlery between mouthfulls, and now feel quite full but not stuffed. I'm hoping I can repeat the trick with dinner. Off for a nice walk in the park once DS' nap is done as it's such a lovely day and everything just seems better in the sunshine. I also dragged out my summer clothes from 2yrs ago and can just about squeeze into a few dresses, but not wholly comfortably. Hopefully by the time summer proper arrives the 90 day journal will be complete and they will all fit (thus saving me some money into the bargain).

For those who have fallen off the PM wagon - whether briefly or longer term - why do you think that happened?

Forewarned is forearmed and all that...

Not sticking to the rules because I thought they were ingrained. They weren't. It takes some conscious effort for quite a while for it to get ingrained.

I am also rubbish at listening to the CD which I am sure helps with focus but I do have ishooos with PMK's voice and it can irritate me.

Hooray have a potential diagnosis of renal colic kidney stones just waiting for another scan. I totally agree Bb, it's great they didn't just boot me out and my symptom management while waiting for my diagnosis has been excellent :) I'm hoping to be home in the next couple of days.
I've been pauling rather well with a mix of hospital food - very well done - and snacks DH has brought in. I have no appetite and have tried to eat each meal time but pushing myself to eat more like this has resulted in seeing it come back so it's been very easy to apply the stop when you're full and don't finish everything on the plate.
In normal life, I find that challenging but I was getting there before I fell ill. Initially I worked to leave a small bit behind. Now I just keeping listening to my tummy and asking am I full?. It's key to hold in mind that Paul says once you're full food doesn't taste as good. That's a real trigger for me.

Glad you are making progress HaveaLittle. I only mentioned booting you out as I have heard too many tales of people they can't diagnose being sent home only to find themselves back a few weeks later. My FIL spent 10 days in hosptial recently and they still don't really know what was wrong with him. He has a diagnosis on a bit of paper for his GP and even that had a ? next to it.

Renal colic or kidney stones sound awful. I have had a kidney infection (which started from a uti) and it was deeply unpleasant - yours sounds much worse. I hope you get a proper name for what you have and some treatment to get rid of it very soon.

Well, I'm staggered - STAGGERED I tell you - at just how often I eat when I'm not actually properly hungry.

I had that bagel this morning at 10 ish and only now am I getting hungry. Sure, I've had times when I've thought/my stomach's said "Hmm, I could eat something now..." but definitely NOT what I'd call proper hunger. But before, I'd have eaten something. Almost to stave off hunger pangs before they start. Which is LUDICROUS!

Actually, I must have a quite high metabolism because thinking about the amount I generally eat, I should by rights be 30 stone

I have often wondered how this diet fits in with family meals - ie what if you are not hungry at a "meal time".

Hello and welcome amothers If you really think about it everyone should be hungry at mealtimes shouldn't they? probably best to wait till you are it's the natural way to eat. if i'm too hungry I have some fruit or drink of water or tea.
Calam its amazing when you start to tune in to body properly isn't it?

Sorry 'your' body!

calamity I felt like that the first two weeks! Eventually you find it weird that you ever did it except when you fall off the waggon
another it's a question that's asked s lot. Choices include eating a smaller portion or sitting down but not eating. I find if I started to get hungry at say 4 and dinner was planned for 6-6.30 usual in our house but we don't have dcs yet I eat something small to take the edge off my hunger and then have a smaller meal. Before I'd have a big snack and a big meal.
Bb I've been admitted, discharged and admitted within 48 hours with a different illness. The second admission was a hellish wait in a&e, busy EAU, poor pain management and in total 7 misdiagnosis before I finally got the diagnosis and treatment I need in this same hospital so I totally get what you're saying. I've been paranoid they thought I was a hypochondriac but they always take my pain seriously and believed there was a cause they could treat. They just had to work it out!

Welcome newbies and hope the poorlies get well or start to feel a bit better.

My weekend wasn't too brilliant as had my in laws to stay and i tend to go into greedy child mode when i'm with them partly cause my BIL seems to watch everything that i eat and gives me looks of disdain when i say i don't like a food and tries to force it on me so we end up disagreeing (it all sounds childish i know) then my SIL is always trying to feed you with cake etc - so in the end i gave into my weaknesses and jumped off the wagon a bit.

I'd done really well last week - i'd listened to the cd every day and felt like i was sticking to the rules easily - how can things just stop working? if the cd is hypnotic thing then why does it not work when in a situation like this weekend?

I'm back on it again today, i hope :)

crazynell - I suppose we fall off the bandwagon in those situations because we aren't consciously eating. We are being distracted by other people and not concentrating on the food. You can't always though, can you? It isn't much good if you cause ill feeling just so you can sit in silence and besides, you don't get to chose the food so it is probably not what you really want anyway.

I sort of work to the 80/20 rule. If you do the right thing 80% of the time, doing the wrong thing for 20% of the time won't actually do that much damage. It is only a problem if you lived like the weekend every day of the week.

I'd argue that the rules and the CD haven't stopped working, in fact they are working just fine. If they weren't then you wouldn't recognise what happened at the weekend for what it was. You would just have eaten without being aware that it wasn't the way you are meant to do it most of the time.

Right hello everyone I am back and I need to stick to this. I came on here and tried PMK's way but felt too silly, then did the old fashioned dieting way, lost some weight and have now put it all back on again :( needed chocolate/cake So this time I am back, I will have little bits of what I fancy - will only eat them when I'm hungry, savour every mouthful and stop when I am full (glad I remembered the 4 rules! :o)

One question though, how much weight have people actually lost from this? I suppose I'll find out when I read this thread again picking up from where I left off but could anyone tell me?

And I will be back! :o

thanks BBB you're right :) i couldn't concentrate on eating slowly and consciously with other people around me and especially my b in l as he watches me when i'm eating - i think he has an issue with food as when he was younger he dieted too much and thats why if he gets any hint of you trying to cut down or eat differently he's onto you.

I've had a more Paul type evening tonight :)

EE 2stones.

I've had a dreadful day here :( & but will endeavour to do better tomorrow. :) Mum is taking me and the Dc's away ooop north for a week in August...Lovely, but I would like to lose another stone by then.
I have to remember to try the tapping.
Aunt Flo has not turned up two months in a row now and tonight, I look 4 months pg.

Morning everyone

I did well yesterday but then the evening went a bit wrong. I have had a better night's sleep though and I'm determined to do better.
I am not listening to the CD enough and I know that is the issue, I just don't have any time atm.

EE - a stone, and that is despite sleep deprivation. I am much more toned as well, so that stone has equated to almost 2 dress sizes.

nell I think it is ok to have times when you do eat more, especially when you are with friends and family. But don't say anything to them about trying to cut back because then you get the sabotagers - like your BIL!
What I find PMK has changed for me is that I eat much less despite relaxing the rules a bit, mainly because I can't bear that really stuffed full feeling, but that I am back to normal portions again immediately afterwards rather than overeating for several days after a special occasion.

Morning all Ali congrats on the stone and dress sizes! Solo don't worry just carry on! that sounds fun a holiday 'op Nth. how far Skye?

Exele Were you on here before under another name? I 've lost nearly 3 stone and could loose more but don't want to look TOO thin IFYKWIM (my age y'know) so it does work amazingly well!!

Nah! only as far as Yorkshire! Done ok so far today, but feeling hungry atm despite having already eaten a sandwich for lunch. Tap, Tap, Tap...Bugger! not working...

Wow, 3/2/1 stones is absolutely amazing! Feel even more compelled now :D ppeat no I have the same name :) And that's amazing :o do you just eat healthy food or literally whatever you like?

Also should I definitely listen to the CD? I feel like I never have time...

It's really odd - I'm finding myself actually WANTING healthier food!

EG - egg on toast for brunch earlier (again, wasn't hungry til 10.30/11ish) and had brown bread. Normally I hate brown! I dunno, maybe it's because I'm eating more slowly and savouring actual FLAVOUR that I want something with more taste than my usual beloved white sliced?

One thing I'm wondering about - it's looking as if my body is quite happy with two meals a day, possibly with very small snacks in between (I nibbled a Go-Ahead biscuit earlier - not because they're "good", but because I had them left over from a "diet" diet a couple of weeks ago and I really like them!) - I know that might vary, but what if I'm not eating enough?? Apparently you don't lose weight if you don't eat enough calories/points?? I don't want to eat for the sake of it - that goes against the whole idea!

EE - go for it. And yes, IMO the CD is essential. I forced myself to ignore all housework and other tasks and listen to it earlier when my 12 month old was asleep, and I am already feeling the benefit.

Calamity - I wouldn't worry about not eating enough. My experience is that my appetite fluctuates a LOT, and not necessarily in a logical way.
You've been doing this for a few days only, so your body is still adjusting and the amount you eat and when you eat it will change.
I think the 'not eating enough' thing is a myth personally, designed to keep people on things like WW and SW for years and years, and sell their disgusting bars and snacks because 'you must eat your points/syns/allowance' for the day.
What does stop you losing weight because your body goes into starvation mode, is ignoring what it is telling you and repeatedly refusing to eat when you are genuinely hungry.

On that point - Solo - if you haven't already, go and eat something woman