Paul McKenna's non diet. No calories, no syns, no humiliation, just shedding stones amongst friends. Thread 7.

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The Golden Rules that will aid you on your journey with our like minded support system:

1. Eat what you WANT
2. Eat when you are HUNGRY
3. Eat CONCIOUSLY
4. STOP when you are satisfied and full

This weight loss system is about re-educating your body; learning to listen to it and in doing so losing weight and inches so forget diets, they may work for a while, but they aren't permanent solutions. The Paul McKenna system works and is easy to maintain.

I've C&P'd our previous threads links as they are helpful.

Here is the book on AMAZON which is all you need to get started!

This is the tapping technique EXPLAINED - this can be useful to combat cravings.

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ppeat, I think muffin top slaying is a weekday activity.

Weekends are for keeping an eye on them but not doing anything unless there is a crisis - let sleeping muffins lie I reckon. I am sure they will be back on Monday.

Alibaba - pm if you want to. I might pm about the name of a good hairdresser too - would recommend yours?

I haven't had my hair cut (except by me on my fringe) since August and I am looking a little dishevelled about the head.

How is everybody?

I feel a sense of impending doom. PIL are due next weekend and the house is a tip. Don't know how I am going to get it sorted. On the bright side, I reckon I won't need muffin top slaying exercises - I will be too busy rushing around and burning calories anyway.

Hello People.

I'm not very good at posting on a regular basis. I keep meaning to but then forget until about 3 am!

I am lsitening to the CD each night and I fall asleep while listening. I am totally unable to visualise, I just can't see pictures/movies in my head. However I am pretty good at telling myself stuff in words and I seem to be able to imagine how I will move etc. I can't see it but I can 'feel' it. I doubt that makes sense to anyone but me! (I used to practise my sign language while driving as I could 'feel' my hands doing the signs even when they weren't!)

I am still eating when hungry. I do have the odd unthinking moment but there isn't the stuffing of the face there used to be. This morning I put a haribo in my mouth out of habit but it wasn't followed with forty three million others.

Thing is that this HAS to work. Up to now my weight was just an inconvenience but now my knees ache, my ankles hurt and I am making shoe choices based on not having to bend down! Also I want my kids to grow up with a normal attitude to food, not to think of it as the enemy! If Mummy eats what she wants and has a healthy attitude then may be I can save them from the hell I have put myself through.
My weight problems began when my mum decided that my excema was caused by sugar and restricted it. I became a secret eater of sweets form an early age and it progressed from there.

Onwards and downwards people!

Muffin-top slaying is definitely for a weekday

BBB - my hairdresser is at my parents, so 40 minutes away - sorry! I used to go to Box in town but I go now to the woman who used to cut my hair when I was little and has always cut my Mum's because my parents look after the boys for me while I have it done.

Sock - that is my main motivator, that I don't want my DCs growing up with the kind of issues around food that I have. I also don't want them to be held back by having a Mum that lacks in energy and can't keep up with them.

Sadly Ali, Oh hello everyone, my muffin top doesn't recognise weekends! Sock we like to hear from you anyway, seems like you'd doing well!

Oh I agree, muffin tops are rubbish at telling the time but the irradication of muffins is not something to be pursued in a house full of people. Most undignified.

It is an activity best done behind closed doors in private without an audience, especially one who is 8 and wouldn't be at all concerned with passing comment on the sheer scale of the task in hand (although he says I am not fat or old either so you have to love him really)

BTW Ali I forgot to congratulate you on your successes and the recognition you are getting for all your effort.

It seems you use the same hairdresser selection criteria as I have been using up to now - is it close to my parents? I don't have to bother with that now but nobody I know seems to ever have their hair cut or if they do it is by a friend. I'm surprised any hairdresser can find enough work round here to stay open!! However, you aren't the first person to mention Box although the other one was the lady in the post office who now gets hers done by Careys the barbers so I am not sure if I am reassured by her recommendations or not.

Neverputasock - I have the same problems as you - my mother restricted everything when I was a child, partly from a health point of view but also from cost. It has kind of backfired though as the minute I had money I bought sweets with it. I try not to do the same to my boys but it isn't really working. They don't see sugary things as a treat and something to be craved but they do see them as a normal part of your diet so I can't seem to win either way. I should add they don't get completely free rein and I do limit how much they have but then I would with any food. Nothing eaten to excess is good.

Thanks BBB :)

Box are really good actually, I would go back there again if I was using a hairdresser locally. My Mum's hairdresser is brilliant though, she cuts my hair so well and she is also very reasonable because she runs it as her own business from home. Even once I've paid petrol it is less than a normal stylist at Box.

neverputasock - we also had treats etc restricted as children, weren't allowed to leave the table until we had cleared our plates etc etc. I am much less restrictive with DS1's diet, he can have a biscuit if he asks for one but is more likely to ask for a banana.

For my DCs we allowed them sweets but only bought with their pocket money and ate them after meals. It worked well; as soon as they realised if they saved up they could get other stuff they didn't bother with sweets!

Sorry morning all!My mum did the same as above with us and I remember a little friend whose mum had banned sweets completely STEALING them in our house!

Morning!

The more I read the book the more fascinating and frustrating it is. I recognise totally what he says about emotional eating - I think of frantic snacking on food as a 'oh well, that'll make today seem better' sort of tactic. Of course it doesn't - not for long. I am finding it hard to keep remembering that I can't do that. But I am mostly managing to do OK. Yesterday was OK until dinner - had a row with DD and I stuffed down a chocolate ice-cream and a heap of ginger nuts .

Also this 'feeling full' thing - not noticing it yet Having to force myself to think I feel full. Am hoping it will come in time.

Food does taste fantastic! I had been eating so much recently that just tasted like cardboard - makes me wonder why I was eating so much of it?

However I am eating a great deal less most days - and unlike Atkins, if I mess up with this it doesn't put me back to square one.

I did find that I already weighed half a stone less than I expected which is good news! I only need to lose a stone although I'd like to lose more. I got down to 10.9 a few years ago and in those days I was quite muscular due to running so probably slimmer anyway.

Sorry that was so me-me-me! I will try and be more of a contributor later.

On the subject of sweets - we had a sweetie tin when we were little. Could have some after a meal if we asked. Not many though. When we were older I spent my pocket money on sweets. Problem was I got so little that the idea of ssaving it up was impossible - it would have taken months to save up for the smallest toy so it was more immediate to spend it on toffee bonbons! I used to cycle a mile to the village shop to get them though

I have been much more relaxed with my DC. Their basic diet is good, largely home-made food - a good balanced diet. But I know there are times when they eat too many sweets, fizzy drinks. But the elder two are coming to terms with food in their own way - DD has just lost a shedload of weight naturally because she seems to just know how to eat the right amt - she must have listened to the CD! DS1 is quite chubby but i have noticed him eating less crap - I suspect he will do what his uncle and cousins did, reach his late teens and shoot up to over 6' and look like string bean. DS2 is the same as they all were in primary school - tall and skinny and eating like a horse. We'll see what happens to him when he gets older.

I think it's something they need to sort out on their own TBH. I can teach them the food that is better for them but now how to relate to it iyswim.

Omirian Don't worry about me me meing we all do that at times on here don't we? that's one of the things we're here for to unload a bit.

Your DCs sound a lot like mine, I was relaxed about eating and they've sorted themselves out (apart from middle DD) 1 of whose boyfriends gave her a complex about being fat (which she wasn't) so now after twice doing Atkins the same pattern is emerging, she knows all about Paul Mckenna but is ignoring it

Orm - I wasn't even allowed to spend my pocket money on sweets! I wasn't allowed to go to the shop on my own until I was about 11, although we did live on a very busy road which I think had as much to do with it as anything.

I am so, so hoping that we manage to set the boys on the right path with relation to food. DH has a terrible relationship with it as well and is also overweight.
My Dad is stocky but not overweight, but he has always thought he is and was always moaning about how fat he was etc. Much weirdness. My Mum has always struggled with her weight, even as a child, and my Dad would always be on at her about doing more exercise, eating less chocolate etc etc. And against this backdrop my overweight mother would be telling me a could have no sweets when I knew perfectly well that she was eating chocolate every day on her way to and from work. Healthy dynamic, no?
Really very keen not to fall into any kind of similar pattern!

Morning to all paulers!! Ali IMO every family has an odd relationship to food probably due to our cultural and personal histories . I say to my oldest DD what is a normal relationship to food? I s'pose the P.M. is the nearest we can get, but still most actual food in sprmrkets is so denatured, and the 'fresh' food comes from god knows where!

The problem with children is they change. DS1 was a bit greedy for a while and got a bit chunky but has slimmed down a lot recentlyand has a more balanced idea of what he should eat, but now DS2 seems to have got chunky since the summer and wants seconds all the time and all sorts of extras. He is a bit more self-aware though so has noticed that his clothes don't fit and is trying to regulate himself a bit more. Obviously it is all tied up with hormones and growth spurts but I do think it makes it difficult to get the food relationship spot on all the time because their needs change so much more quickly than adults.

And also personality comes into it doesn't it? Tell some people, children or adults that they can't have something and they accept the change and it becomes habit - food or anything you need to consume in moderation like TV watching or computer games playing for example. Do the same thing with somebody else and they just want to rebel against the restriction and as soon as the opportunity presents itself they do the restricted thing to excess.

I think that is why the relationship with food is so complex. Add to that the addictive properties of some of the things we consume and things like price and availability and available cooking times and skills and you have a whole mess of considerations to think about. It is no wonder that even within families where we like to think we treat all the members fairly and appropriately, you get different outcomes in terms of how good individual relationships are with food.

"Do the same thing with somebody else and they just want to rebel against the restriction and as soon as the opportunity presents itself they do the restricted thing to excess."

Absolutely! That was me. Still is if I'm honest.

I remember my brother saying to me once that adult life is about understanding that you can have the Mars bar - in fact you can a box full of them - but it comes with consequences. Realising that is like the exit from the Garden of Eden really No rules, no-one to save you but you.

Yes me too. I'm a rebel as well which is stupid as it has done nobody any harm except me.

Anyway, I have just had an interesting hour. Drove to Sainsburys to get a few bits and pieces and when I got to the car park, my clutch started vibrating and there was the smell of burning. Got out to see a little bit of smoke coming from the left front wheel. End up calling the AA who say I have a seized clutch release thingy so we took the car to the garage and the AA brought me home. The abandoned trolley is still in Sainsburys and DH now has to go and get DS1 from school and I am without a car. On the plus side, I ummed and ahhed aobut taking out a breakdown repair cover when my car last broke down in June and thankfully I did as the repair looks like being covered. If not, I have to fork out about £400 for a new clutch. Just what I need this close to Christmas.

Still, if I haven't bought any food I can't eat it can I?

That is fascinating Omirian and Bigboobie do you think the rebellious character is tied up with a sort of self hate? I try to control DH's awful attitude to food by saying" i love you and care about yr. weight, health etc. it's a shame that you don't love yrself". (it doesn't work BTW!!) Well that's not fair it SOMETIMES works. But he'll buy ice cream hide it in the freezer and then get an asthma attack after eating the lot (he thinks if i don't know he' s eaten it it doesn't count) I think. Weird or what?

It's like i'm playing big bad mummy or daddy or teacher or someone to his naughty little boy. He's 63 for ffs I don't think he'll ever get over the emotional side of eating.

Bloody hell! i thought worrying about a 14yr olds eating habits was bad enough. Mind you DH smokes so I guess that is the same thing - but more antisocial

Sorry to hear about your car BBB. What a stressful day!

The self-hatred thing is so strong though - and of course it's a vicious circle. But we all know about that.....

It is certainly a theme that has been repeated many times on these threads. That and self sabotage although I do think they are linked. Anybody who thinks they are unworthy of success and makes sure that they don't achieve it ain't loving themselves much.

The actual food probably only part of the problem. If it wasn't that stick that we beat ourselves with it would be something else.

By the way, anybody seen Solo about? She hasn't been on here for nearly a week. Solo, if you read this I hope you are OK.

Hello all.
I need to come back to this thread. Starting now.
I need to stop eating during the night.
I need to stop eating just for the sake of eating.
I need to find something to replace the food.

Think I'm gonna do some sit-ups, am trying to fit just 20 a day into my evening routine. Then I'm gonna jump into bed and listen to the cd before crashing out.

I've also decided I will only drink wine on the weekend, which is already proving very hard! And I am cutting down on fizzy drinks and will try to drink more water/squash/tea.

How's everyone doing?
Motivate me, tell me how great you feel, how you are successfully tackling your food issues and how I will actually lose weight.

To do with the scales or without.............

Scrap that about me listening to the cd. It is not in the place I thought it was :-(
Hope I haven't thrown it out

Scrap that about me listening to the cd. It is not in the place I thought it was :-(
Hope I haven't thrown it out

FAB I'm just sjimming the thread, trying to catch up and see what everyone is up to.
Noticed the issues you are having with school and as am only on pg1 you may have it resolved, but the ofsted website has gone live with axcepting parents comments so you could log on and post your concerns about the school there. Just an idea.

I bought a new pair of leggings yesterday. Size 14/16 because the 18/20 are huge on me and guess what? The 14/16 are a bit tight and are see through! Aaarrrrggghhhh, have just noticed now, on the bus on the way to work.

I did some sit ups and basic crunches last night, am trying to tone my stomach and ab muscles. I want to get rid of the hangy pouch

I also need new ideas for lunches, am getting incredibly bored with cheese rolls. Have only packed 2 today rather than the usual 3.

Off to a book signing tonight with a friend who wants mcdonalds first. Think I will put a handful of chips and a part of the burger straight in the bin and then I won't have to face the struggle of leaving some iyswim.

Hi silvery Good idea re. the macdonalds.