Use of MJ at healthy weight

[TheBlueDeer]

Anyone on here who has obtained MJ by lying about their already healthy weight etc? I’m v curious to know your experience, have you only needed the lower doses, did you stay on it for maintenance etc etc

How do you know it’s the real thing? I hugely empathise as I say I hate the gate keeping around them and I genuinely believe they’ll be widely available in my lifetime, but I think buying it black market is ridiculously dangerous. That’s not the same level of risk as exaggerating to get it from a legitimate supplier, you can’t know what you’re putting in your body?

In a few years time we'll be seeing GLP1s prescribed for far more than weight loss and/or diabetes treatment. They're already being approved for use to prevent heart attacks and strokes in overweight people with type 2 diabetes, not primarily to reduce weight but to reduce CVD risk independently of weight. Trials are constantly emerging showing additional benefits, such as reduced cancer risks, independent to weight. Far from being contraindicated, I can see them becoming a very mainstream treatment for a wide range of health issues.

Agreed, I’m excited at the possibilities of treating ADHD and addiction.

Honestly, I would have lied to get a prescription, but actually I didn’t need to as I ate so much from September to December that my BMI was at 28 when I got round to signing up 😂 My provider counts perimenopause as a health issue.

5.5 months in and my BMI is now 22.5 and I’ll stay on it till I get to my goal of 20.5. Actually I might stay on a micro dose of 1.25mg always, as the health benefits (no more IBS) are great.

I don’t understand the logic of being allowed to stay on MJ now my BMI is under 25, but not being allowed to start at this weight 🤷🏼‍♀️

P.s. Please be careful buying drugs from a hairdresser or a gym as recommended by some on here! You have no idea what you’re actually taking!!

Well arguably, everyone using them lacks self control.

Agree this is a very different animal

two years or so ago when I started I also gate kept. But now I understand the safety of these drugs, it’s just a synthetic hormone/peptide we all produce naturally, and I know that at bmi 20 it’s perfectly safe for me to keep taking, advisable even, so logically it’s the same for other people in the healthy weight bracket, the drug impact is the drug impact.

its also clear there have been no deaths globally due to these drugs, not one. All the deaths have been due to the black market crap this poster is buying.

I'm at bmi 20 but would like to go down to 19 just for the summer but that wouldn't be possible without the wli so I'm thinking of borrowing a friend's maintenance dose for a month.

The logic is that it's a medication to treat obesity and obesity is not cured by losing weight. The negative impact of becoming obese persists after weight is lost and the body is more likely to regain weight to return to its obese state and a body that has never been obese. That is why it is considered safe and proportionate to continue prescribing once a person has reached a healthy BMI and not for person who starts at a healthy BMI. I'm not saying I agree with this but that is the logic.

Absolutely ! I eat more than I need and even if I don't have food noise I find it hard to stop to eat when I'm at it.

WLIs don't make fat disappear. If you have a BMI of 20 then I would suggest it's very unlikely you have insulin resistance or any other hormone imbalance associated with obesity. So yes, it is possible for you to go down to a BMI of 19 without WLIs. Whether you're on them or not, you will require the same calorie deficit. WLIs will just make it easier for you to stick to the diet, that's all. But you absolutely can do it without.

I also think this, I think people don’t fully understand why this is the biggest medical advancement in many decades. They think it’s just about weight loss and vanity, it’s not it’s about so many more health benefits to society.

right now though the price point is very high, and that’s as the big pharma invested billions in these drugs, literally billions , the investment for example el Lilly made in manufacturing alone is 16 billion. That’s before all the trial costs and development costs.And they willl use the patents to make their money back, and huge profits, after that we will see prices drop and this become much more widely available. They have a limited time window to do this, as other drugs will come to market, the price point will drop, and so they need to keep investing and developing, or they will end up like Kodak. Failing to see the future and failing.

el Lilly made a net income of approx 25 billion last year, up from about 50 million previous to mounjaro being launched.

No that’s the social media logic. The reality is the drugs have the same physiological impact on a healthy weight body irrelevant if it was once obese or not. The risks are the same. We can also see these are very safe drugs. Yes all meds come with a risk, but that needs to be quantified realistically.

I’d argue the risks are reduced in people with less weight to lose, most of the highest risks related to WLI are around rapid weight loss.

(This is why it annoys me when people say the risks aren’t “worth it” at lower BMIs)

Good job you're here to put them all straight 😂

EDITED
Because I was basically not answering the OP’s question 😂😂

Disagree. I’m a fitness professional and I’ve lost 4 stone myself, I have lots of clients using these so thought I’d give it a go to understand the experience, turns out it just makes it easier. Why make these things harder for yourself tbh, even if you have the control.

Hope you’ve got your hard hat on.

I also use grey market Tirzepatide. I don’t class it as black market as I’m not getting a random syringe from Dave down the pub. 🤣

America had compounded Tirz before, it’s a peptide and not difficult to obtain.

I tend to group buys with people and we all chip in to send the vials to a 3rd party accredited lab. They test for mass and purity, endotoxins and heavy metals.

Everyone has their own risk tolerance though. Works for me and I feel like I’m mitigating the risk a little bit at least when buying this way. 👀

I think this is so sad tbh. If you’re already fit and healthy, you don’t need a drug to lose more weight!
so many school mums near who were a size 10 or 12 are clearly on it, they’ve all withered down to these skinny little things, gaunt faces and baggy clothes. Not a good look!

You're in deep 😂

It's not social media logic it's prescribing logic which was determined at the early stage of approval when less information was known about risks and benefits.

I am! I fell down a rabbit hole and never left. 🫣🤣

Oh wow, this would never have occurred to me as an option to send away for testing! Very interesting and geeky in a good way 🙂have you had any dodgy results?
I am hoping to only need the 2 pens anyway...call it lack of self control or cheating or whatever you like but it's helping and has made me realise how much I have been kidding myself about my efforts to lose weight for the last 2.5 years!

Created a new user name for this as don't want to be linked to all my other posts. I lied to get MJ but wasn't at a truly healthy BMI at the start. I was 12st4lb and 5ft7 so my BMI was about 26. I am 46 and trying to lose weight in the last few year has been so difficult, virtually impossible. I eat well, go to the gym, but any kind of 'relaxing' over the weekend with a meal out, or a few drinks would undo the quarter of a pound I'd lose all week! I was just sick of seeing the scale stay at 12st4lb week after week. My husband was supportive (not in a creepy way, just could sense my frustration), so after reading up on everything I applied via Bolt. Added a stone and a bit to my weight (said I was 13st8lb) and took and inch off my height, to give me a BMI of 30. took photos in what we call the 'fat mirror' as it makes you look fatter than normal and wore deeply unflattering cycling shorts. Was approved immediately. I've been on 2.5g for 3 weeks so far and lost 6lb. I jab on a thursday night, the suppression is strong enough to get me through my previous weak weekend moments. Hunger starts to come back by the following tuesday, but I've never had a problem during the week, so get by on willpower until my next jab. Have ordered 2.5mg for my next order as I'm scared to go up to 5mg and don't feel it's necessary. I want to get down to 10st4lb and then I'll have to work out what to do when i stop!

None so far! Basically because you’re part of a group buy the order is large so this means you get a sizeable discount. In a “kit” there are 10 vials. Every kit has 1 vial sent off for the testing.

No dodgey results yet for myself but I know there has been a mixup in the past with some stuff incorrectly labelled which tbf is exactly why you do the testing.

GLP1 forum is a good place to start. Though be warned it’s an eye opener 🤣