Use of MJ at healthy weight

[TheBlueDeer]

Anyone on here who has obtained MJ by lying about their already healthy weight etc? I’m v curious to know your experience, have you only needed the lower doses, did you stay on it for maintenance etc etc

I got mine when my BMI was just 30. It’s now 20 and I still use 3.75mg as a maintenance dose. Never had any negative side effects, it turns off my desire to consume loads of snacks. Plan to stay on it permanently.

Yes, used for a few weeks to shred 10 pounds for a big event. Easy and painless to come off.

@ElectoralControversy some people, not necessarily that poster, will be just buying black market “vials” from websites illegally supplying all sorts of products, rather than accessing legitimate prescription medication from a legitimate pharmacy by deception.

Any tips on getting at healthy BMI. Asking for a friend 🥴

They don't all do video calls.

Yes, I went on a very small dose of MJ, less than the 2.5mg via click counting, for 8 weeks and lost a stone.

Zero bad side effects, but lots of amazing side effects. Peri symptoms disappeared, migraines disappeared, easier periods.

The reduction of inflammation in the body is amazing.

It’s a wonder drug.

the GLPs are designed for those who are obese. Not because you’re lacking in self control to lose a couple of pounds. The contraindications are huge especially for your pancreas. Seriously.

Why do you assume that someone who is looking to lose a small amount of weight is 'lacking in self control'?
There are hundreds of posts on here from women who talk of constantly trying to lose weight, or maintain a lower weight, by calorie counting, intermittent fasting, avoiding UPFs, avoiding alcohol, counting steps, going to the gym, and who still have a stone to lose.

I think some people don't realise how difficult it is to get into enough of a deficit to lose weight when you're closer to a healthy weight, especially if you're a woman in your forties or older.

That’s also not true, it’s now proven to protect against pancreatic cancer and there is no increase in pancreatitis. The study results were out last week or so.

edit to add there are no contraindications for a healthy weight person, in fact it’s licenced for long term use to maintain a healthy weight.

1. they were not designed for people who are obese

2. do you talk so rudely about obese people and self control?

3. pancreatitis is a potential consequence of rapid weight loss, not using the jabs. People at lower weights are unlikely to get pancreatitis because they are not rapidly losing large amounts of weight.

For me it reduces that dopamine seeking part of me looking for reward. Where I might snack when feeling grumpy or bored, I just don’t have that same “craving”. I still very much enjoy my food and cooking (I’m on a low dose mind). Interestingly, I’m drinking less and I’ve even found myself shopping less. Possible ADHD traits, dopamine seeking behaviour.

I am considered thin by today's standards but my BMI is at the top end of healthy but I am one of those women who mostly controls it with healthy but slightly disordered eating and exercise but it is against a background of constant struggle against food noise, and it is bloody exhausting.

I would love for there to be a low dose version that I could take forever and admit I am a bit jealous of people who started on WL drugs when they were hugely obese, but then they are 'allowed' to stay on them when they are the same BMI as me but I am not allowed to have them at all.

I don’t get food noise but I get ‘alcohol noise’ (although I’d never have called it that before the term became popular). It’s a preoccupation / obsession with whether I’m going to drink, how much to drink. Bargaining with myself about drinks now’s drinks later in the week (ie if I have a couple of drinks tonight I won’t drink for the rest of the week). Just a constant mental struggle. I wasn’t / am not an alcoholic per se - I drank more than the recommended amount but not huge amounts. I’d be totally unremarkable in lots of friendship groups but it did dominate my life somewhat.

WLIs totally stopped me being interested in drinking. I’m now not bothered. I’ve barely drunk in almost 2 months and crucially, barely thought about it 🤯

I assume this is what people mean when they talk about food noise.

@MagpiePi I suspect you'll have your wish in a few years - given that's already an option in the US (apparently one in eight Americans have used them, and clearly not everyone started obese) Also they can be prescribed at BMI 25-27 in the UK by some providers, officially 'off label' but it's essentially the same service. BMI 25 is just tipping into 'overweight' officially but wouldn't look it to many people.

That is very similar to how I experience food noise. Oh god, the bargaining and constant mental arguments about what to eat or not eat! That's why I have slightly disordered eating to take some of the temptation out of the equation. I tend to eat pretty much the same things every day and rarely buy things like packets of biscuits as I know they will be on my mind until I have eaten them all.

That would be amazing!
I do think there has been a shift in what is considered thin or fat these days. Like I said, I have been called skinny quite a few times recently but my BMI is just over 24 and I have always carried fat on my bum and thighs and it is also now round my middle, thanks to menopause. 🙄

ETA: I would think that being able to take these in a pill form, as is now happening, would make them much cheaper and more accessible.

This is what’s been life changing for me about WLI, and partly why I get so annoyed at the gate keeping around WLI (especially as there seems to be very limited evidential justification for it).

Firstly, for a lot of people we have spent decades obsessing about food, we are in this weird world where junk food and poor choices are everywhere, but women are particularly shamed for how they eat and look. Reducing those urges is just frankly life changing, my mental health has been SO much better. Not doing that bargaining you talk about constantly, not chastising myself for it. Being able to be much more rational about my food intake.

Secondly, people seem to forget that obesity is just one outcome of poor diet. There are a plethora of health conditions that come out of poor diet that do not all result in being overweight, we are seeing a rise in cancers, we know as well how diet and exercise generally supports a healthy life, mind and body.

These injections support that, I might not have been overweight but I am a healthier person now because of WLI, I’m eating less sugar, I am drinking less, I’m more purposeful with my protein and fibre and I am more motivated to exercise. And what’s MASSIVE is it’s sustainable, because I will just stay on them. It’s not a quick fix for me. My life outcomes have improved.

My brain tells me to eat. It doesnt care what I eat. But it's like some badgering little pixie on my shoulder saying food eat food eat food eat. Endlessly.

Being free of that voice is so amazing.

That's not what OP is talking about - you're using it appropriately to manage obesity

You were using it appropriately too, albeit not quite at the prescribing criteria

Again, not inappropriate. Is nobody reading the OP?

I'm on my 3rd week of 2.5mg, started at BMI 23.3, currently BMI 22, aiming for BMI 19-ish.
I have always been a foodie and love to plan meals etc...I'm still the same but just able to make better choices and enjoying eating healthier food. Previously would have snacked on crisps/chocolate (although not to massive excess) but now I am genuinely enjoying fruit/veg...it's a really difficult thing to explain. I can concentrate so much better at work without constantly clock watching for my next meal. I feel so much better in myself all round!
I buy mine in person from a salon. Sure there will be plenty of judgement on that one but there you go. Could also get Reta from another source if I wanted to even although not approved in UK yet and I am not generally a person with dodgy connections 😂

Dh was overweight so he sent a video of himself, for himself. Then he went to his private go who prescribed him, so we had two lots.

I don’t know about a ‘healthy’ weight, but my weight wasn’t enough to qualify, so I lied (and continue to). I still take for maintenance at 5mg, but only inject every 2-3 weeks now. I can usually tell when I need it.

This is worrying, buying from a salon means you’ve no quality control and no idea what you’re injecting yourself with. It will be ok till it isn’t.

your bmi is irrelevant to me, what is relevant is buying dodgy crap cheaply on the black market. And no you can’t get reta , you can get some fake reta, made in China, with no quality control over what it is. Reta isn’t even approved yet for human use.

this is a very different animal to buying from a licenced pharmacy but lying to get it.