Why are so many people anti WLI

[Mumble12]

I just don’t understand it!

Mounjaro has literally changed my life overnight. It’s dealt with things that I didn’t even know were fixable. Why are so many people (presumably those that haven’t tried them and really have no intention to) so dead against it.

Do people misunderstand how it works? So many people perceive it as cheating…but I can’t fathom the logic - even if it was cheating…so what?! Why do they want people to be miserable and struggle with obesity?

I think this thread has been interesting. I’m raising an eyebrow at people saying nothing but it’s cheating. I wish it was! I wish it was doing it for me, like lots of people think. I’ve been on it a month. I’ve worked really hard. I’ve been following exactly the same eating habit as the last “diet” I did. Nothing but wholesome, healthy food- not cutting anything out except refined sugars and processed food, no diet products or shakes, just loads of fruit, veg, pulses, protein fibre and some carbs and fat. I’m hoping that the difference will be that the MJ keeps me on the rails in times when I dither.

I spoke to three doctors I know and a nurse at my surgery before starting this. I had pre diabetic blood sugars, high cholesterol levels, high blood pressure and a high BMI. I’ve been going through a heck of a lot of stress and tough times over the last couple of years and I felt like I needed something to help me. I felt like another yo-yo session would tip me into depression. I know I might have to work harder at the end if I am to stop taking this (and I want to!) but I think I’ll feel in a better place to do it. And let’s face it, lots of people coming off slimming world or WW can pile it back on..

I gave up smoking 20 years ago by being hypnotised - was that cheating? I basically don’t believe in myself to do things alone, even though, deep down, I know it’s still me doing it anyway.

Probably not. Just as I wasn’t gorgeous when at my heaviest. Pretty? Yes, sometimes.

Anyone who thinks being overweight (and all that comes with it) is an attractive look is kidding themselves on and I won’t be silenced by people like you who ask a loaded question just to have a go.

Yes, well I suppose many of the same people would say that my elective cesarean was cheating too. I don't care! Where do you draw the line? HRT? Antihistamines? Walking aids?

I had ankle surgery. I could walk but it hurt. So I cheated and used a stick.

But she is eating what she wants and it is junk, she ate a big bag of m&m’s infront of us.

She is losing weight but I think that’s because she’s skipping breakfast and dinner.

Why is the weird dietary habits of one woman who is apparently dieting whilst eating KFC and M&Ms being used to criticise the whole concept of weight loss injections? She’s a weird outlier, a data point you’d discount, not a perfect exemplar of the average user of WLI.

In which case she’s still in a calorie defecit and that’s why she’s losing weight. Genuinely not sure how anyone can survive on one bag of m&ms a day, but if she is, she is.

very odd choice to spend £100+ a month on medication and then use it like this, but I’d say she’s an anomaly. No one I’ve been in contact with on WLI could do that without being very ill. My suppression has been extremely high but I’m still hungry three times a day, if she’s been on them for any period of time and is still able to only eat once (and only eat processed junk) she really is a marvel!

You don’t have to count calories to lose weight, @Gettingbysomehow - you have to eat fewer calories than you burn in energy, but it is possible to do that without counting calories.

I have lost enough weight that people are noticing, and I haven’t been counting calories - all I have done is to cut out almost all refined sugar and bread from my diet, and I’ve restricted the amount of other carbs I’m eating. I’m eating good proteins, lots of vegetables and fruits, and the carbs I’m eating are wholewheat/brown/skin-on.

i was type 2 and my doctor prescribed both the jab and the usual diabetes meds. I’ve done that for 1 year and reversed my diabetes! I would ask for a second opinion x

It must be because everyone I know on it has to cut right back or they don't lose weight.

Yes it's great doing that too.

If she's eating one meal a day and it's junk but she's still in a calorie deficit then yes, she will be losing weight. I'm surprised she doesn't feel absolutely awful though. I've eaten unhealthy food while on the injections sometimes too but it's a rare occurrence and if I eat too much crap I've quickly learned that I feel crap. One of the ways the injections work is by slowing down your digestion so that KFC will be sat in her guts for ages. She probably feels dreadful!

I don't know anyone on weight loss injections or on my support thread for people that started the same time as me eating that way. So your friend is definitely an anomaly and most likely will pile all the weight back on when she stops the jabs.

I will do - thanks, @Nichebitch.

I think by counting calories people mean be in a calorie defecit. You don’t have to literally count them, but unless you’re very hot on the values of everything it’s very easy to over eat, particularly if you’re just starting out

Yes, I know, @Mumble12 - but ‘counting calories’ can be different to ‘being in a calorie deficit’.

Indeed. I think some people feel like fat people should suffer for their gluttony.

Well yes, you can count your calories and count all the way up to 10,000 a day I suppose!

so MUCH ignorance on this thread ..

These are NOT new drugs .. 20 years in the development and testing..

I had a choice .. BMI 43 .. blood pressure medication .. cholesterol medication.. cortisol injections for knees .. monthly visits to GP for various inflammatory issues . anti anxiety for general sadness and depression.. due to being unable to move as I would wish (was a horse rider bit would never inflict myself upon any animal at my huge weight)

Now (at goal for 7 months ) BMI 21. No more medication. No visits to Dr.. I’m riding a PONY again .. as I’m 8st 7.. and so fucking happy .. why would ANYONE. think that not worth it ?

After 9 months of MJ

Christ, what a way to view people. Whatever happened to judging people by the content of their character, fuck what they look like?

Wow that's fantastic @Vatsallfolks !@Vatsallfolks !!! And in 9 months!

I've got down from bmi just under 50 to 40 in 5 and a bit months so I guess not far after your starting point 😳. I can already move more and think I want these long term for anti inflammatory effects. I was struggling walking with lower back, hip and lower leg pain. My life is so different now and I'm only part way there.

I can't imagine being bmi 21!!! (and tbh would be happy at 25!) it must be so different 😊.

Mainly because it's being treated as some sort of miracle cure. It isn't. Without significant lifestyle change the weight will go straight back on if you stop taking it.

It has been a miracle for me. Genuinely transformative. I’ve gone from BMI of 50, so extremely morbidly obese to a BMI of 30 and falling. I’ve gone from avoiding movement as much as possible to being in week 8 of Couch to 5k running 30 minutes non stop 3 times a week. My BP is now normal to optimal. I have gone from feeling angry and hopeless about my weight to feeling thrilled about my physical fitness and health, and optimistic about the future. My family are benefitting from my improved health and well being.

And I don’t need to be told that I will put all the weight back on unless I’ve made significant lifestyle changes. Taking the medication has enabled me to make significant lifestyle changes. That’s what I intended and hoped would happen after alll!

And I don’t need to be told that I will put all the weight back on unless I’ve made significant lifestyle changes.

Totally! It's so obvious. People assume fat people are thick.

Well done. I respectfully disagree though. It's extremely important that people realise they will put the weight back on unless they control the calorie intake. That's the hard bit. The weight loss drugs work so well because the person isn't relying on willpower, unlike reducing calorie intake. The difficulty is that once the person stops taking it willpower very much is required, for the first time in the weight loss journey and for the rest of the person's life, basically.

I suspect I will need a low dose longterm tbh.