Why are some people so angry about people lying to get MJ?

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The only conclusion I can come to is pure jealousy. They don’t want overweight people (with bmi 25-29) getting slim, they want to be the only ones who get to be slim and hot. Less competition that way.
I’ve seen some ridiculous statements on here, one to someone with a bmi of 29.8 who lied to get it - someone said they were “unbelievably stupid and irresponsible” and “putting their life at risk”….how can they possibly be putting their life at risk anymore than someone with a bmi of 30?! Cos being 0.2 lighter suddenly makes the medication dangerous 🤣
Should people with a bmi of 28 binge eat to put on enough weight to make them eligible? Isn’t that far more dangerous?
If the meds really were that dangerous to slimmer people there is no way you’d be able to get them by submitting a few photos and self-reporting your weight online.
I actually do meet the criteria but I have plenty of friends on it who don’t and I have zero judgement. Some of them have been overweight their whole lives and are unable to shift that 2-3 stone. Why should they have to stay overweight when an obese person can easily get down to a bmi of 19 with injections? I suspect that if you weren’t allowed to use them after your bmi got down to 30 all the righteous, judgmental people on them would start fudging their own numbers on the scales.
It just feels like a bit of an attitude amongst some people of “this is our thing and we don’t want you to have it”….disguised as concern about the health impacts…which is so obviously bullshit. Why aren’t the same people ranting about how easy it is for alcoholics to get alcohol? Or why aren’t they focusing on young anorexic people obtaining MJ (which is happening and is genuinely concerning)? It’s just so obviously jealousy. They’ll be available to people with bmi 25+ soon anyway

Sorry, that should have said you can’t lie or fake having diabetes. The practice nurse will have a list of people who are eligible and then the nurse will discuss if the patient want to go on the medication, explain the risks, side effects etc. Not sure if it’s free as diabetic patients do get their other medication for free but at most they’ll be paying what less than £10 a month compared to private company of £160 or more? The rules have changed though when I working in practicing nursing, only patients with type 2 were allowed it but the NHS have rolled it out to include all obese patients over a 12 year period.

I agree. There is a bit of an us and them attitude sometimes with those seen as worthy of WLI and those who are just fat and need to deal with it themselves. I’ve seen people on here berate people with BMI in the high 20s who want the drugs just told to eat less and exercise more.

Hopefully this will happen in the future if I could get it from my gp on the nhs i would 100% take it. I just hope nobody does anything stupid in the mean time that gets it banned from being used as a weightloss drug

Really, can't you figure this one out??

It’s already been on the NHS for treating obesity not just type 2 diabetes since March. Speak to your Gp/nurse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2y5zl99vro.amp

It wont get banned, its far too effective and valuable.

I’ve never had to send a video.

Does anyone know anyone who has been given this by their GP for obesity alone?

Me neither but apparently from the 1st July all online pharmacies will require videos. I don’t know if that means for people new to it only or people who’ve already been on it applying for a new prescription

This exactly.

The same NHS that has been giving the drug out to obese people to help them lose weight since March?

So people are lying about their medical condition and / or medication to recieve WLI's?

Not the topic of the thread but yes utterly reprehensible and negligent (and if too many people do it, it will mean even more checks put in place)

I'm interested to know what condition is so adversely affected by the side effects of WLI's though?

It’s such an emotive subject OP. I guess everyone is shaped by their own views and experiences and general outlook. It would be wonderful if we could all just cheer each other on 🌟

I feel happy for family and friends who have tried and tried to lose weight and managed it. I went to a wedding of a friend who lost over 10 stone and cried like a baby when she walked down the aisle! She was so joyous and glowing, just felt so happy for her! 🥹

Thanks,

I know nothing about this so sorry for stupid questions. But what stops you continuing to lose weight? Is it a lower dose? Or something else - like when you get to normal range your body then doesn’t react and stops losing weight

I honestly have no idea. I’m nearly at maintenance myself and have started reading up on it on Reddit, primarily because there’s lots of Americans on there and they’ve had the drug for longer so there’s more people at maintenance. From what I can gather a lot of people taper down and find the right dose for them to stabilise their weight and not lose anymore.

Oh ok.

The medication doesn’t make you lose weight, you do that by eating less calories than your body uses every day.

The medication makes it easier to stick to a calorie deficit by making you feel more satiated and crave food less.

The plan should be that once you hit target weight you adjust your diet to increases calories a little so that you stay the same weight rather than losing or gaining.

I am on Mounjaro for diabetes and likely will be on it long term as it keeps my sugar levels where they should be. It also has enabled me to stick to my diet so I’ve lost 5 stone and am now about half a stone from my ultimate goal. I eat around 1400 calories a day at the moment, I think when i want to stop losing I’ll be aiming for around 1700-1800 a day, more on days I go to the gym, but it will be a bit of trial and error to find the right balance.

Hang in, are you saying that if you have a BMI of 30 or above you can just ask your GP for it? In the UK? I thought everyone on it was going private or something.

I think the countless threads on here attest to the fact that I dont think anyone is getting it on the NHS

Thanks, no I do get that’s how it works. But I am assuming those with difficulty controlling appetite will still be eating to their appetite on MJ. That doesn’t make sense when I write it but I hope you get what I mean.

Like as in how will you just go from 1400 to 1700/1800. Just eat beyond being full now? Do you get what I mean?

I think PPs point about tapering makes sense. Because otherwise I don’t see how that’s working.

What bmi do you need to be prescribed it? I just tried to buy some online but it said I didn’t meet criteria, so not sure what to do! I have 2.5 stone to lose and it’s making me miss out on fun times with kids. I’d love to just lose it. Life is too hectic to exercise or diet sufficiently and it’s making me sad that I can’t do fun stuff or feel comfortable on the beach or pool. What BMI do the online places look for and how do they check? Thanks so much for any guidance.

My friend got it at a normal bmi, bmi 24 she was 10 stones 5ft 5, for her application she said she was 5ft 4 and 12st 4lbs then for her photos for Med exp she wore 3 sweaters and 3 skirts and put cotton balls in her mouth to plump up her cheeks and got through photo checks fine as they only asked for light clothing not fitted like my prescriber did! Obviously I told her it was against the regulations, reckless and she had a big chance of developing side effects etc. 7 weeks on she has since lost over half a stone down to bmi 22.5 and 9 stones 4lbs! Ironically, she hasn't had any side effects at all and barely felt suppression at 2.5mg or 5mg! She does have more body fat and a lower muscle mass than me at bmi 25.6, I was 32.4 when I started.
She also said the same, why can't overweight people be prescribed it, ultimately the clinical trials weren't carried out on overweight people, only obese people.

How and where? I just got refused and I have 2.5 stone to lose.

Pharmacy2u but like I said its because i started MJ at 30+BMI and stopped it back in Jan.

I restarted at BMI 23

I don’t know anyone in real life who is on it so it’s an all a bit of a mystery to me. I’m quite overweight so did once look it up and had understood that you couldn’t get it in the UK unless you have diabetes.

And yes I have seen lots of threads about it but never seen anyone mention where they’ve got it from. I thought maybe private weight loss clinics or even buying it abroad, but here people are talking about prescriptions and regulations about what BMI qualifies, which makes it sound like NHS.