Why are some people so angry about people lying to get MJ?

[Roxietrees]

The only conclusion I can come to is pure jealousy. They don’t want overweight people (with bmi 25-29) getting slim, they want to be the only ones who get to be slim and hot. Less competition that way.
I’ve seen some ridiculous statements on here, one to someone with a bmi of 29.8 who lied to get it - someone said they were “unbelievably stupid and irresponsible” and “putting their life at risk”….how can they possibly be putting their life at risk anymore than someone with a bmi of 30?! Cos being 0.2 lighter suddenly makes the medication dangerous 🤣
Should people with a bmi of 28 binge eat to put on enough weight to make them eligible? Isn’t that far more dangerous?
If the meds really were that dangerous to slimmer people there is no way you’d be able to get them by submitting a few photos and self-reporting your weight online.
I actually do meet the criteria but I have plenty of friends on it who don’t and I have zero judgement. Some of them have been overweight their whole lives and are unable to shift that 2-3 stone. Why should they have to stay overweight when an obese person can easily get down to a bmi of 19 with injections? I suspect that if you weren’t allowed to use them after your bmi got down to 30 all the righteous, judgmental people on them would start fudging their own numbers on the scales.
It just feels like a bit of an attitude amongst some people of “this is our thing and we don’t want you to have it”….disguised as concern about the health impacts…which is so obviously bullshit. Why aren’t the same people ranting about how easy it is for alcoholics to get alcohol? Or why aren’t they focusing on young anorexic people obtaining MJ (which is happening and is genuinely concerning)? It’s just so obviously jealousy. They’ll be available to people with bmi 25+ soon anyway

I think people are more open about lying to get it, or advising others how to lie to get it than they are about any other prescription medication. Which I think is odd. And I think it’s very irresponsible to advise a stranger online how to get a prescription drug they wouldn’t be prescribed if they were honest, and you’ve no idea of that person’s medical info.

Yes the cut off is somewhat arbitrary (what’s the difference between a bmi of 30 vs 29.5), but they always are. Whether it’s an age you get offered a particular screening, or the age you can give a child calpol, there’s always a cut off.

I find the idea that slim people are jealous of weightless jabs quite funny. I’m sure some are (I wouldn’t make a blanket statement that no one is). But I think the majority of people don’t care. I think when people lose weight, they assume other people take more notice than they actually do.

What type of diabetes does she have? The jab is only prescribed for a certain type, so if your daughter isn’t that type it won’t affect her. You do know the NHS has rolled out a 12 year plan to use weight loss jabs right?

And you called me dense

do you have any idea of the health implications of being morbidly obese? there is a myriad and I would describe diabetes as a medical condition not a health reason

Jesus, some people are just spoiling for a fight

It's not untested on people with a BMI of 25-29.

So what was your point?

If you think about it the whole bmi thing is a bit ridiculous anyway
You are at 34, lose a few stone to get to 29 and then you have to stop because your bmi is below 30? Of course not, you stay on it until you hit the bmi you want, even if its 20.

I know from friends, it definitely stops alcohol cravings!!

How do you have no idea what you are buying? It’s been approved by the MHRA and you can get it from Boots! And read the list of ingredients. (I’m not talking about the black market - that really is stupid)
There is not a limited supply. Where’s the evidence for this?

I don't care either way. But if they are getting it on the NHS then there has to be a cut of. It's an expensive drug so they have to prioritise to those most in need
If they are paying for it as long as it's safe and the private practice is willing to prescribe it I don't see the issue.but I don't think people should lie to get it
I don't think anyone is against it because they want people to stay overweight!

they want to be the only ones who get to be slim and hot

At 56, >7st down, looking "hot" isn't really on my radar (unless it is the hot melted candle look people are going for! 😂)

It is a high risk medication for a reason. It is for obesity where there is a balance of the significant health risks of either the medication or remaining obese, it is not for a hotness rating 🙈

Honestly, if your first thought is “hotness,” not health, you’ve confused a life saving high risk prescription only medication with a beauty serum and should perhaps research the medication you are taking further.

This is the reason why most agree the prescription guidelines have to be strict, to prevent people being at risk of harm for peer and media pressured cosmetic reasons.

I have sympathy with people who are struggling being overweight and don't have support, we have all been at that stage, but I also don't think is ok to lie to obtain high risk medication where the balance of risk does not land in their favour.

So this hypothetical anorexic would have to have a fat friend that was happy to conspire to help them by letting them take photos of them in tight clothes from different angles, date stamped etc.

There are lots of questions when ordering from online pharmacies. It all has to be checked and verified by a doctor.
There are always risks that people will lie about medical issues and you can never guarantee that it wont happen.

I wonder if there's a bit of a misconception about what it does and how it actually works

With a starting BMI of 25-29? It seems I'm behind with my reading then.
It's still not licensed for a starting BMI of 25-29 though (with the exception of some ethnicities and other health issues of course). People with considerably more medical knowledge than a bunch of Mumsnetters didn't just make that decision for fun.

It depends if you mean lying to get it free in NHS or lying to get it via a private clinic and paying for it. Of course lying to get it on NHS is annoying and out of order. But I’m not sure if that’s what you mean?

There is no supply problem. Some pharmacies have had problems with 12.5mg and ran out when they had special offers but there is no general problem.

And they also contact your GP now, my GP rang me to discuss it after an email was sent about me.

So how would that work? They would flag any falsehoods immediately

My biggest concern around people lying to get it, is that they are higher risk because they’ve already demonstrated a lack of care over protocols/advice/guidance so are therefore more likely to eat too few calories, drink too little water, take the medication when contraindicated due to other medical conditions/prescriptions. They then add to the ‘bad outcomes’ list and draw more negative attention, artificially inflate negative statistics, potentially set back roll out to the people who would most benefit.

if you want to lie, take a medication you’ve been told could hurt you, starve yourself….. well that’s your decision to make. If making that decision prevents other people from receiving a suitable and beneficial treatment then it’s selfish and harmful.

There is no difference to the medication being high risk whether it is free or paid for, NHS or private. The prescribing guidelines are the same.

Prescribing guidelines are not about who can or can't afford it (or how "hot" they want to be), they are about balance of health risks.

Yeah now you've written that what I said about sueing the nhs makes no sense 🙈🤣🤣

It is licensed for people of a BMI of under 30 with additional health conditions such as high cholesterol or high BP.

It was thought that the potential side effects are more likely to outweigh (pardon the pun) the advantages for those who are not obese. Can't say as I've found that to be the case though, even though I now don't have high BP and am 21lbs lighter.

Things very rarely get banned but restrictions become stricter

I don't really have an issue with people who are 28-29 BMI lying to get it, I think it's very unlikely that someone that close to the cut off is going to be damaged by it.

I do think someone in the 25-27 range who wants it enough to lie to get it likely has disordered eating type issues.

Overall I tend to think that it would overall be better if the whole thing was more regulated and you had to have a face to face appointment before a prescription is issued.

@WeAllHaveWings yes that’s correct, but OP was asking why slim people find it annoying when others lie to get it.
And for me, I don’t really care about the health risks for that person but more the fact that by lying they would be abusing the NHS system which isn’t exactly in a good place right now.
If someone lied to get it privately/paid for it I wouldn’t really give a toss.

I have a BMI of 21 and have been subscribed again.

I started off at 19 stone, now 9 stone 7lbs

Someone i worked with (retail) got fired for selling someone more then 2 packs of paracetamol which they later went on to overdose on. People don't seem to realise their actions can effect others

While I agree face to face appointments would be more robust, the costs associated with that would also make it unaffordable for many people who desperately need it and the only way can access it is privately. I am talking about people who can no longer work FT due to disabilities from obesity, but don't make the NHS guidelines yet.

It needs to remain as accessible as possible while keeping it as safe as possible, with as low a price as possible, for those that genuinely need it. It is such a tricky balance.

Lying to get medication - of course it’s wrong.

What if they’re already underweight or underage?

Why is it for you to decide what BMI is acceptable to take it or not?

We know these pharmaceutical companies are very interested in making profits and if they thought it was safe or effective for people under a certain BMI then best believe they would offer it to them.

We also know that stopping these injections often results in putting most of all of the weight back on and in some cases even more weight.
When someone is morbidly obese then I guess this is worth the risk.

As someone who has to work very hard to maintain their weight I understand the desperation to want to lie and get the medication but there are restrictions for a reason and I think people would be very silly to go against medical advice.

But this is what is going to end up happening if people keep lying to get it.