Why are some people so angry about people lying to get MJ?

[Roxietrees]

The only conclusion I can come to is pure jealousy. They don’t want overweight people (with bmi 25-29) getting slim, they want to be the only ones who get to be slim and hot. Less competition that way.
I’ve seen some ridiculous statements on here, one to someone with a bmi of 29.8 who lied to get it - someone said they were “unbelievably stupid and irresponsible” and “putting their life at risk”….how can they possibly be putting their life at risk anymore than someone with a bmi of 30?! Cos being 0.2 lighter suddenly makes the medication dangerous 🤣
Should people with a bmi of 28 binge eat to put on enough weight to make them eligible? Isn’t that far more dangerous?
If the meds really were that dangerous to slimmer people there is no way you’d be able to get them by submitting a few photos and self-reporting your weight online.
I actually do meet the criteria but I have plenty of friends on it who don’t and I have zero judgement. Some of them have been overweight their whole lives and are unable to shift that 2-3 stone. Why should they have to stay overweight when an obese person can easily get down to a bmi of 19 with injections? I suspect that if you weren’t allowed to use them after your bmi got down to 30 all the righteous, judgmental people on them would start fudging their own numbers on the scales.
It just feels like a bit of an attitude amongst some people of “this is our thing and we don’t want you to have it”….disguised as concern about the health impacts…which is so obviously bullshit. Why aren’t the same people ranting about how easy it is for alcoholics to get alcohol? Or why aren’t they focusing on young anorexic people obtaining MJ (which is happening and is genuinely concerning)? It’s just so obviously jealousy. They’ll be available to people with bmi 25+ soon anyway

I'm not sure they are jealous. So many people on here just seem absolutely paranoid about medical instructions. They have no idea how to risk assess, seem to have no idea even what tests have been done and even more depressingly what tests haven't been done.
They seem to think the vials turn to poison after four weeks and that splitting a dose will kill you.
God knows what they think will happen if you lie about your starting weight. I guess you just explode.

Why would they sue the NHS?

Do the families of people who take paracetamol and codeine overdoses sue pharmacies?

Because i lost the weight with Mounjaro and have regained some so am going on it for maintenance to stop be getting overweight again.

I had to submit photos, a photo of scale. Proof of my previous prescriptions and proof of the weight I originally started MJ at (ai was obese)

Also anorexia literally means lack of appetite or inabilty to eat very much. You don't need help from an appetite suppressant if your appetite is already suppressed.

I wonder if there will be any knock-on to how maintenance dosing will be prescribed? (when healthy bmi has been reached)

There seems to have been different changes eg with video submissions etc. I’ve had to book onto a video weight check with Oushk

I do think the rules should allow overweight and obese/ morbid obese to have access (as per all the usual health checks with the prescriber processes). Normal range bmi probably not, as can’t justify the need ie benefits not outweighing the risks if you’re a healthy weight. Agree those with ED or at risk of ED there needs to be safeguards.

I'm not using mounjaro but I am losing weight and I have a good stone and a half off, I feel amazing and I'm back in my slim clothes again, it's great. One thing I have really noticed though is not everyone is happy for you when you lose weight. I've had some comments that are more like back handed compliments rather than being genuinely happy for me.
I think a lot of this faux concern around weight loss meds likely comes from the same kind of place.

@Roxietrees The issue isn’t that the risks are higher for people with lower BMIs, the issue is that there are risks, but in seriously overweight people, those risks are less serious than the risks of obesity. The risk calculation changes the closer someone is to a healthy weight.

As someone who is currently a healthy weight but has been slightly overweight at a few points in my life, there’s absolutely no way I’d take medication which carried any risks for the sake of shifting from a size 14 to a size 10/12.

Errr ok

please tell me where I mentioned diabetes

A lot of articles about how it reduces alcohol cravings. Surely that’s a good thing?

I am not slim but I am hot. I am concerned about people lying because they can be harmful drugs when taken outside of their remit. People seem to think these drugs are a cheat code but taking them has attendant risks. I am also the Mother of a diebetic young woman and once of you have a grasp of how these work, you too would think it was dangerous and understand the damage they can do to non obese people. Like I said, I'm not slim, I could easily afford these drugs and have less than zero desire to use them. As Pp's have said, NHS picking up the pieces and the consequent tightening of rules for anyone who needs them. Your argument is crass and stupid and truly, if you have to lie to get them, you don't need them and shouldn't be using them.

I wish we could all have it. It’s taken me 18 months to lose 2 stone (half a stone put on at Xmas needed losing twice). Every day is hunger hunger hunger to the point that some days- probably once a week- I find it hard to concentrate at work.

I hated being bmi 28 and now I’m 23.7. I do want to lose a bit more though so am sticking with it. It’s miserable but I was miserable when I put the weight on

I think to stay slim I’m going to be hungry every day - I only have two modes, diet and hunger or putting on weight. Its been the same since I was a teenager

So yes I wish everyone could have it but I do see the problem with eating disorders

It's not jealousy. It's because the balance of risk / reward does not make WLI appropriate at lower BMI.

That assessment is done at population level, not individual.

There ARE risks and they need weighing up against the reduction in weight related illnesses.

I can think of a few reasons.

1. It's an idiotic thing to do. A prescription drug is not there to be taken so lightly. It is on prescription for a reason. Buying it online, you have no real idea what you are buying. If it all goes horribly wrong, the NHS (ie the public) will be picking up the tab.
2. There is limited supply and it should be available first to those who are morbidly obese (ie their lives are in danger)
3. It being available without prescription (legitimately or not) means it will be abused. Which means the vulnerable (e.g. those with eating disorders) will suffer.
4. People who do not need it will feel pressured to buy it.

By submitting photos of someone else (assuming they can find some in the required positions). It’s an online pharmacy- how do they know what you look like? For people overweight but not obese many I’ve heard of just submit their own photos, put hold weights while standing on the scales or knock a few inches off their height to increase their bmi

The BMI requirements will be lowered soon enough and there won’t be any reason for people who are just a couple of stone overweight not to have it if they want. It’s magic in a pen.

You need ID too so they’d have to look the same too

Why don’t they just say that then? The people I’ve seen complaining about it don’t say it’s because it ruins it for people who are obese (which is a genuine reason). They moan about some faux concern about the “serious dangers” of it on a non-obese person

You said people lying can affect people who are taking it for health reasons… what health conditions do you think they have? The drug was designed to help treat type 2 diabetes. Surely you know that right, so when you say health conditions you mean diabetes? No? 🤣

I h to provide photo ID so that would not work

Yep the two people I know who lied are now in the grips of anorexia again.

Oh yes this is true. I think it’d be difficult to get if you have a bmi under 25, unless you had an obese friend or relative willing to get it for you. Overweight people can get it by using their own photos though

Yeah you got me, I want to be the only slim and hot person around. I'm sooo jealous and don't want them to be my competition, presumably for fit men because what other reason is there to be a woman and have a body.
Or, I don't think people should be encouraged to lie to pharmacies to falsely get prescription medication for the treatment of obesity when it's not a disease they have.
There is every chance that Wegovy, Mounjaro and any future WLI drugs are as safe for someone with a starting BMI of 26 to take as someone with a starting BMI of 46, but it's untested. Usually taking untested drugs isn't seen as a good thing to do.
Lovely goady thread though.

Obesity is costing working people a large chunk of their taxes

i understood that there is a risk/ benefit question and if you get ill by taking them when you shouldn’t you are again being a deliberate burden on the NHS

which might be why people get cross

or

the people getting cross would like access to the drugs , would benefit more yet can’t afford them ,and know that other people buying them means it will take even longer before they reach the front of the queue because the supply isn’t strong so they get crosss

or people mistake any one questioning “should you do that” - reasonable question as you ard lying to get the drugs - as people being cross at them possibly because they feel a little guilty and so ard super sensitive

or

Your first paragraph is ridiculous though.

Do you really think people with anorexia use logical thought processes?