‘Eating the same, but less’ and other mistakes

[Slibberydibbery]

Reading the Mounjaro support U.K Facebook group and some of the threads on here and it’s apparent there’s many people seemingly unaware that you must make better food choices and try to unlearn bad habits for it to work effectively, to stand any chance of maintaining after weaning off.

Not everyone is the same I know but the majority of WLI users were obese due to what they eat and how their bodies react to it.

WLIs should be thought of as a medically induced lifestyle overhaul. Belief that you can still eat the same as before, just less of it is great, as long as it’s healthy wholesome food.

Still regularly eating ultra processed, calorific, fatty, carb heavy food groups but a reduced portion will do you no favours long term. The same with drinking, snacking and not exercising. It will be a cruel shock if you come off WLIs and realise you’re on your way back to square 1.

You MUST use the appetite suppression you’re paying for to retrain and reset your diet away from poor food choices and bad habits. Otherwise, once you reach your goal and slowly wean off the drug those bad habits WILL come back because the beneficial effects will wear off. Think Cinderella at midnight.

If you want stand any chance to maintain ‘long term’ low cholesterol, low blood sugars, the slimmer figure, you have to learn to love vegetables, lean protein, healthy food groups and detach entirely from all the addictive bad stuff, Fizzy drinks, Biscuits, Crisps, Chocolate, Cheese toppings, Pizzas, Takeaways, Wine, Cakes, Energy drinks. These are all the devil, whether in huge servings or small portions. Many people can not have these ‘in moderation’.

WLIs offer you, the user a unique chance to hold back the urges and allow your body to reset. Cutting ties to poor choices whilst you’re not having compulsive thoughts about them and constant hunger is the key to long term success.

Seriously, who on earth do you think you are. No-one is 'frowning on' or 'resisting' your message. It's your patronising delivery.

Whoever told you that you could make a great new career out of herding along people on WLI was very wrong.

Gosh, posters explained everything but nothing went in. Even with days to process what's been said, you'd think OP would come back with a slightly revised post, or not at all. OP is like a computer constantly churning out what it's programmed to write and not deviating from it. It's either that or...

So, as a clearly superior being, what vital changes do you think I need to make, of which I need you to inform me from your position of expertise?

Because so far you've not actually said anything that hasn't been posted on WLI sites a million times before. You've managed to post it in an impressively patronising way, but the actual content of what you've said isn't new to anyone.

While we're at it, @Slibberydibbery , what are your actual qualifications and/or experiences which mean you consider yourself to be the right person to educate people using WLIs?

Do you have qualifications in healthcare and nutrition? Lived experience of using WLIs?

@Slibberydibbery I simply don’t want those spending a lot of money on this medication to be wasting their time or money

Do you really think that people need you to highlight what they should or shouldn’t be doing, that we’re so clueless that we’ll be willingly handing our money over without doing the best we can to make sure it’s a sustainable result? That we need someone to tell us that swimming is good for toning the stomach, and that processed food is bad?

It’s like you’ve time travelled from a 1980s Weightwatchers group. None of this information is remotely revelatory to anyone on these threads.

I’m definitely one who needs to eat the same, just less. Taking these injections has been an eye opener - it’s so much easier to lose weight when you’re not constantly hungry!

Yesterday I ate granola and yoghurt, a beef and lettuce sandwich with seeded sourdough then for dinner I had pasta with beef bolognaise sauce. Pre injections, I’d have just had the same but double helpings.

The sourdough was quite calorie heavy, and I had 1428 calories in total for the day. So I’m certainly not undereating.

@Slibberydibbery What are you hoping to get from this thread. Is it for people to tell you you're right?
You're right. Well done.
Does that feel better now? Has it removed your need to patronise people who know far more about their own bodies, their own diets and the medication they are taking than you do?

The op has done me a favour though, so thank uou op.

I simply didn’t realise that menopause, leading to increased cortisol and subsequently insulin resistance, and stopping smoking, and subsequent overeating on portion size, and working from home, leading to less physical activity, all culminating in me gaining weight over a number of years and cortisol and insulin resistance ensuring I struggled to lose it, had led me to be also an utter uneducated idiot who needed telling. Silly me. A foolish woman who didn’t realise she was actually an idiot.

there was me sitting thinking, that as I always ate healthy and just too much, and had now managed to significantly reduce my portion sizes , eat clean and exercise several times a week, for several months, losing 47 lbs, that I was still an intelligent educated woman. That I hadn’t turned into a fool, and my brain was the same. Apparently not.

or wait. Could it be op you don’t understand the drugs, and it is you who is the foolish woman?

"WLIs offer you, the user a unique chance to hold back the urges and allow your body to reset."

And step away from chat gpt while you're at it.

Were you picturing yourself setting up an inspirational app with mantras and advice about 'smaller bums, smaller nickers?'

You know, I would actually be open to an encouraging WLI app with weight tracking, tips, how to manage side effects, and loads of great protein heavy recipes.

But you are not that person. You don't seem to have any knowledge or experience beyond encouraging your DP. He might love being treated like he has 2 brain cells but you have really misjudged your tone and audience here.

Eating the same but less is exactly what I'm doing. I ate too much before as I was constantly hungry. Now I'm not. I make good homemade food and while I sometimes have takeaways and junk it's in moderation. My problem before was the volume of everything was too high. Now it's not. Seems an ok approach to me.

Treating us at one homogeneous group of stupid fatties is where the OPs lack of experience and understanding really shows. I'm sort of the opposite to you. My portion sizes have always been good, the meals I cook are pretty healthy (like yours) but I snacked terribly. So for me eating not much less at all meal-wise is working, Mounjaro has just removed the food noise making me desperate for a share bag of buttons after that meal.

Shame there isn’t a “block” option on MN

I just can’t imagine what must go through someone’s mind to assume all fat peiple are idiots who have bad eating habits and make ooor food choices that need to be undone. The utter ignorance in saying all fat people need to stop eating “Fizzy drinks, Biscuits, Crisps, Chocolate, Cheese toppings, Pizzas, Takeaways, Wine, Cakes, Energy drinks” to quote the op.

and then to have it pointed out just how offensive you’re being. To then come back and double down on it.

it is one of the most ignorant things I’ve seen on here.

I just can’t see the Op with an overweight partner at all. And if it is true then there’s something very screwed up about it judging by her posts. Self loathing which is aimed at others perhaps?

This reminds me of those depressing times I'd see an acquaintance who had lost weight, and I'd ask them how they did it, all keen to learn and get the same result. And they'd say something like "oh I just cut out fizzy drinks and biscuits with my tea and it all dropped off".

And I'd want to wail "but I already don't have fizzy drinks and I have a biscuit once in a blue moon! Why is it so simple for them and not working for me?!". It would erase all hope, instantly.

The good thing is that we have all started to notice the bad faith actors that trawl these boards and we have started to recognise the writing styles and usernames. Most of the time they get their arse handed to them.

We might be overweight but we aren’t stupid.

Yes I reckon there is a small number of posters haunting this sub forum, changing name, to do it, and literally obsessing about the fact people can now get these drugs. Also obviously haunting other social media sites too. Like the op and her face book shenangigans.

clearly these are people with signficant issues surrounding weight. And the “I’m doing it for the benefit of fat people” , fools no one. They are doing it due to their own issues with weight,

and it is always either

fat people who can’t get these drugs and are jealous. Either due to cost or health issues or both,
slim people who resent the fact their slim privalage is gone.
slim people who resent the fact they still need to work hard to be slim and perceive those on the drugs don’t.

and the overriding theme is they are new drugs, you will all die, or you will all get fat again,

yup, fooling no one.

Hun, you started yet another embarrassingly patronising thread on the WLI board when you are neither obese nor using WLI. It very much sounds like an obsession. If it's not though then you'll have no problem leaving these boards to people they're actually relevant for, will you?

@Slibberydibbery perhaps you could enlighten people with your qualifications?

"It’s encouraging to see how much it resonates and challenges people’s mindsets though." - nothing you have said resonates or challenges mindsets for me. It's patronising and weird.

This has to be a troll surely? Literally no one can be this tone deaf and can take these replies to be confirmation of her misguided opinions!

You'd hope!

Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect OP? Maybe see how much that resonates with and challenges you.

It's when "people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities."