‘Eating the same, but less’ and other mistakes

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Reading the Mounjaro support U.K Facebook group and some of the threads on here and it’s apparent there’s many people seemingly unaware that you must make better food choices and try to unlearn bad habits for it to work effectively, to stand any chance of maintaining after weaning off.

Not everyone is the same I know but the majority of WLI users were obese due to what they eat and how their bodies react to it.

WLIs should be thought of as a medically induced lifestyle overhaul. Belief that you can still eat the same as before, just less of it is great, as long as it’s healthy wholesome food.

Still regularly eating ultra processed, calorific, fatty, carb heavy food groups but a reduced portion will do you no favours long term. The same with drinking, snacking and not exercising. It will be a cruel shock if you come off WLIs and realise you’re on your way back to square 1.

You MUST use the appetite suppression you’re paying for to retrain and reset your diet away from poor food choices and bad habits. Otherwise, once you reach your goal and slowly wean off the drug those bad habits WILL come back because the beneficial effects will wear off. Think Cinderella at midnight.

If you want stand any chance to maintain ‘long term’ low cholesterol, low blood sugars, the slimmer figure, you have to learn to love vegetables, lean protein, healthy food groups and detach entirely from all the addictive bad stuff, Fizzy drinks, Biscuits, Crisps, Chocolate, Cheese toppings, Pizzas, Takeaways, Wine, Cakes, Energy drinks. These are all the devil, whether in huge servings or small portions. Many people can not have these ‘in moderation’.

WLIs offer you, the user a unique chance to hold back the urges and allow your body to reset. Cutting ties to poor choices whilst you’re not having compulsive thoughts about them and constant hunger is the key to long term success.

You don’t think it’s apparent that people regain weight if they don’t unlearn bad habits then come off the WLIs?

How bizarre.

It's not really a backlash to roll my eyes at someone stating the obvious in a patronising way across 2 threads as 1 clearly wasn't enough. If I want advice I'll get it from qualified sources rather than a random er from mn. And there's no actual advice other than eat well. Thanks for that.

You're ten stone, not obese and not on this medication. Why do you think anyone here needs your advice? How extraordinarily narcissistic.

No. It's because the food noise returns as your body fights you with everything it has to return to your fattest. Unless you know what it's like to spend every moment fighting your own screaming body and it's only relieved by eating then tbh you don't have a clue about obesity. It's only since using wlis that I realised how awful it was and stopped blaming myself.

There is no backlash. Quite simply and once again as you’re struggling to understand, no one wishes to read this preachy stuff, we know. We are not idiots as we gained weight,

you need to examine what’s wrong with you that you feel compelled to preach to fat people.

Great post @DarkForces

I’m 10st but my DP uses them with great results.

I’m very health conscious and my advice and opinion genuinely comes from good intentions.

I don't use WLI, and mange my weight with diet (keto) and exercise (running) after decades of struggling. And I find your posts smug and patronising. I can't imagine how people who are using WLI on here feel about them.

People who have struggled with weight have heard 'helpful' suggestions from people who know nothing a LOT. They don't need more.

How tall are you, I'd be overweight still at 10 stone

Out of interest, which parts of the patronising wankery do you dispute?

How utterly odd. Do you have a general lack of empathy and understanding others position as well as the written word, clearly the poster is not disputing what’s said, she’s disputing the way it is written , which is indeed in a tone of patronising wankery.

By your logic the scientists who developed these drugs need to be examined as well to see what’s wrong with them for feeling compelled to help fat people?

Thank you. I feel really passionately that after decades of self recrimination I want people to know I'm not weak, I can fight hunger, I'm not in need of counselling or healing, I'm perfectly happy, it's just my body is different to people who are naturally slim. Since being on wlis I've realised how dreadful it was to feel so hungry all the time, I felt weak and like a slob. I'm none of those things. Neither is anyone on wlis. We're people who need some medical intervention to calm down the screaming need for food and that will be the case for life for most. We should all be a lot kinder to ourselves and threads like this really don't help whatever the intention

Maybe apply for a job with one of the online pharmacies since you are so evangelical about telling people the right way to use WLIs?

Fine, discuss in detail with your own husband. But find something else to fill your day rather than preaching to strangers. Their lives are not your responsibility and your actions/words will not change their lives. Total waste of your time and energy and probably even counterproductive as the patronising tone gets people’s backs up.

Ok, are you seriously comparing yourself to the scientists who developed the drugs? Who are not on line posting patronising shite about what we must do, however if they were, due to their qualifications, knowledge, success and expertise , we’d all be listening?

you feel you’re in this bracket??

They get paid for it! They do it because everyone should work for a living and that is the living they chose!

But that's the point. Eating the same but less is exactly how dieticians and nutritionists need people to lose weight as it's sustainable. For example I go out for meals twice a week and in the early days due to suppression I ate starters instead of mains. I now don't have suppression (but still losing weight) and have just gotten into the habit of eating a starter.

I’m beyond stunned the op just compared herself to the scientists who created the drugs, in that she is also “compelled to help fat people.”

It’s a car crash of a thread , you know you should look away.

I did exactly this.

I haven't changed my eating habits at all, just restricted myself alot as I was overeating.

I still regularly have mcDs and Greg's. Subway etc

4st off and maintained for last 7 months without a gain.

Now at Mcs I'll have a small cheeseburger and medium fries and a zero drink.
Before I woudl have a bigmac, portion of nuggets, large fries, mcflurry, full sugar coke etc

Actually, you do not know what is habit and what is the drug yet.

You cannot know whether the habit thing is real until you have stopped taking it for a few months.

Good lord what is WRONG with you??

Why are you sounding like a bad advertisement OP? Are you hoping to set up some kind of WLI guru blog or instagram?

Your other thread was ridiculous and got no traction, why are you back again. 'Smaller bum, smaller nickers' - thanks for that gem, you can keep your 'advice'.

Er......did anyone ask?

Alright preachasaurus who rattled your cage?

I work in a medical school with some scientists who research glp1 along side other aspects of diabetes and obesity.

Some look at molecular pathways and some look more into the psychosocial aspect of obesity and indeed WLI.

Let me be very clear none of them would think that preaching to those using the drug in such a condescending manner would be usefull.

We actually teach our med students how to adress delicate topics ( unfortunatly some remain shit at it) and this would be a prime example of how not to adress a sensitive topic. The actual content is not overly wrong in that yes you should be aiming for a healthy diet however you come across as condescending and patronising which has the exact effect observed in this thread. By that I mean people have gotten ( rightly so) defensive. I have read many a thread where posters advise dietary changes in response to side effects or indeed stalling weight loss, if offered in a kind, invited and sensitive manner there is no problem with this.

i will give you the benifit of the doubt and assume you are actually trying to help however the unsolicited condescending nature of your post is not going to actually achieve anything.