‘Eating the same, but less’ and other mistakes

[Slibberydibbery]

Reading the Mounjaro support U.K Facebook group and some of the threads on here and it’s apparent there’s many people seemingly unaware that you must make better food choices and try to unlearn bad habits for it to work effectively, to stand any chance of maintaining after weaning off.

Not everyone is the same I know but the majority of WLI users were obese due to what they eat and how their bodies react to it.

WLIs should be thought of as a medically induced lifestyle overhaul. Belief that you can still eat the same as before, just less of it is great, as long as it’s healthy wholesome food.

Still regularly eating ultra processed, calorific, fatty, carb heavy food groups but a reduced portion will do you no favours long term. The same with drinking, snacking and not exercising. It will be a cruel shock if you come off WLIs and realise you’re on your way back to square 1.

You MUST use the appetite suppression you’re paying for to retrain and reset your diet away from poor food choices and bad habits. Otherwise, once you reach your goal and slowly wean off the drug those bad habits WILL come back because the beneficial effects will wear off. Think Cinderella at midnight.

If you want stand any chance to maintain ‘long term’ low cholesterol, low blood sugars, the slimmer figure, you have to learn to love vegetables, lean protein, healthy food groups and detach entirely from all the addictive bad stuff, Fizzy drinks, Biscuits, Crisps, Chocolate, Cheese toppings, Pizzas, Takeaways, Wine, Cakes, Energy drinks. These are all the devil, whether in huge servings or small portions. Many people can not have these ‘in moderation’.

WLIs offer you, the user a unique chance to hold back the urges and allow your body to reset. Cutting ties to poor choices whilst you’re not having compulsive thoughts about them and constant hunger is the key to long term success.

Everyone, OP is here to change the world! Thank you so much @Slibberydibbery for these pearls of wisdom! We've never heard them before and surely don't put them to any use. We will from today now that you've spoken.

Maybe your assistance would be better aimed and received towards the fb pages for mounjaro based weightloss? Tbf I've seen some shockingly uneducated posts on there. The lack of basic understanding of nutrition is worrying.
However, on mumsnet, the audience is a bit different, as the previous posters have clearly shown!

I can only speak about my own experience but I think that, eating the same but less isn't necessary a bad thing proving your diet wasn't too bad to start with. It works for me. However, my diet was quite good in general. Varied, colourful, home made 99% of the time, with plenty of vegetables and protein. My problem was snacking between meals, and constant craving of sugar and chocolate and unfortunately, portion size. I use a small plate now. If I really fancy a bit of chocolate I have 1 piece and that's enough. Made small changes like using yoghurt instead of double cream. Or using single cream. Cut out all the fizzy drinks which I didn't have too many anyway. I drink much more herbal teas now and focus on the meal instead of everything else and make sure I chew each bite properly. I know that if I went hard-core and pumped myself with protein, no carbs and exercised like mad I would probably have much greater losses but it is a marathon not a race and I don't want to deprve myself of everything. I am still on 7.5mg and I started my journey in August. The dose is giving me some suppression but I am still getting hungry and still have to make the right choices.

I’m tending to agree. Although it does make me wonder if some of the backlash and pile on from some users against advising making healthier choices is a deliberate attempt at derailing the concept? 🫤

I know lots of people who have used injections and put on at least twice as much weight as they were before.
Which does make sense.

So I agree that people absolutely need to physically and psychologically make changes whilst on them to try and limit this from happening.

But I disagree that means never enjoying certain foods.

People are overweight because they have an unhealthy connection with food.
Cutting out foods is still have an unhealthy connection with it.

The idea is to just eat normally, normal foods. eating normal portion sizes, normal amount of snacks and doing the 80/20 rule of mostly eating healthy foods but knowing that it’s ok to enjoy treats within moderation.

No op. Just no. It isn’t a concept. There is no backlash, once again it is your condescending posting of something incredibly basic. And your self declared compulsion to “help fat people”

I know lots of people who have used injections and put on at least twice as much weight as they were before.

no you don’t.

The hell of good intentions…

Honestly OP, no one’s asked you for this ‘advice’ and you’re certainly not qualified to give it. Why don’t you focus on nagging your poor husband instead of people you know nothing about?

You really don’t get it, do you? Most of the people advising you to stop preaching are already doing what you advise. Nobody here is trying to derail your (bleeding obvious) concept. They are telling you not to waste your time here. I for one feel quite sorry for you that you have nothing better to do with your time and feel driven to embarrass yourself by some sort of quasi-religious fervour.

No, we just find you patronising, clueless and a bit rude

Thank FUCK! I was hoping a condescending thin person with no experience of using WLI would be along soon to tell us thick fatties where we are going wrong. It's been days since the last one.
Now the stupid fatties are saved though. Well done @Slibberydibbery , what would we do without you, other than suffocate on all the cake we are eating.
I'm off to find some depressed people, using SSRIs that I haven't used myself, to tell them that just not being sad is better and they should try smiling more.

No it's because You.Are.Preaching.To.The.Choir.

Go find another preaching gig elsewhere. We know!

Maybe we need to add ‘I’m not taking WLI - but this is what you must do’ to the bingo card

OP maybe you were genuinely trying to help, but weight gain is not only about food intake, mounjaro reduces inflammation and I was at my biggest size 14 13 stones bmi 32 and putting majority of my weight on my stomach due to insulin resistance since i was 18. Several times I was asked if I was pregnant or how far along was I! Diabetes runs in my immediate family and I come from an ethnicity with higher risks of heart disease and diabetes.

I used to feel faint and shaky if I didn't eat regularly and tried intermittent fasting but couldn't manage it without it affecting my concentration and causing my hands to shake and body to weaken. I also got extreme hangry and mood swings. This all progressed from my late 30s to early 40s.

Mounjaro has been a life changer as my weight is losing from my stomach, I maybe ate 300-400 calories a day extra pre MJ than I do now but was still in my maintenance calories per day. I've now lost 1.5 stones in 3 months bmi 28.8, more importantly my weight is off my abdomen and my blood sugars and pressure have greatly reduced and so I am more stable in every way than previously. Don't get me wrong, before MJ I did snack more on crisps and crave carbs, but it was like an addiction that I couldn't control due to feeling faint, shaky and hangry. These jabs are a life saver for those like myself and others with health conditions or food addictions.

Have you actually read my posts? Not sure why I should listen to you when you can't be bothered to listen to people with actual experience.

Huh?

Yes I do.

A quick google will also tell you as much.

It’s not rocket science.
The injections remove the hunger pangs/noise.
Stopping the injections means they come back.
When you’ve not used to them then they’re going to be twice as hard to deal with.

Do you really think that the injections continue to work even after people stop using them?

They’re a tool, not a solution.
If people don’t change their eating habits and continue to eat as they did before taking the injections then they’re going to put all of the weight back on.
It’s just common sense.

I’m very health conscious and my advice and opinion genuinely comes from good intentions

The problem with people meaning well or having good intentions is that they usually come across as anything but.

Most people won't be coming off though. They'll be on them for life. However as pills and microdosing become more researched the way we take them will probably change.

No you don’t, and how on gods earth can I google who you actually know. This is an anonymous forum. I don’t know who you are. How can I google who you personally know.

how odd.

edif and yes, like any diet if any one goes back to how they ate before they regain.

however many will stay on. I will.

and again, how do you know all these people who have regained double.

@Wonderi you personally know "lots" of people, so more than 3, probably more like 10 or more for it to be lots. Who have lost weight, say 3 to 5 stones, to move from obese to healthy weight who then have put not just that 3 to 5 stones on but another 3 to 5 stones on top of that as well? So are significantly more obese than when they started taking Mounjaro/Wegovy/Saxenda?

Stop being obtuse.

If common sense isn’t your strong point then a quick google will show you the statistics of peoples experiences of taking these injections.

The majority of people taking these injections understand the risks of putting on all of the weight/more weight than before and most take steps to limit this happening.

If they didn’t do their homework (which it sounds like you are one of them), then I personally would be doing it before coming off the injections.

So you don’t actually know anyone. And I’m the issue,

yeah ok.

Yes of course.

I would say most of us know lots of people who have been on diets before and lost weight and then put weight back on.

Why is it so unusual to think that the same can happen with injections?

These will obviously cause more people to put on weight than diets do because they remove the hunger pangs which then return as soon as you stop but they obviously come back twice as much because you’re not used to them.

That’s why it’s so important to change your habits both physically and psychologically before coming off of them.

@Wonderi but I won't be coming off them and neither will most people. Even if they do they can return to their prescriber and get the medication again once they start regaining. You don't have to hit obese again. All this advice about stopping is irrelevant

Are you ok?

Of course I know people.
It’s also just common sense.

It’s odd that you have such an issue with me knowing people who’ve put on weight afterwards.

It’s almost like you don’t want it to be true so are trying to pick holes in my comment, which is weird.

Do you think that these injections stop your hunger pangs/food noise for the rest of your life?