‘Eating the same, but less’ and other mistakes

[Slibberydibbery]

Reading the Mounjaro support U.K Facebook group and some of the threads on here and it’s apparent there’s many people seemingly unaware that you must make better food choices and try to unlearn bad habits for it to work effectively, to stand any chance of maintaining after weaning off.

Not everyone is the same I know but the majority of WLI users were obese due to what they eat and how their bodies react to it.

WLIs should be thought of as a medically induced lifestyle overhaul. Belief that you can still eat the same as before, just less of it is great, as long as it’s healthy wholesome food.

Still regularly eating ultra processed, calorific, fatty, carb heavy food groups but a reduced portion will do you no favours long term. The same with drinking, snacking and not exercising. It will be a cruel shock if you come off WLIs and realise you’re on your way back to square 1.

You MUST use the appetite suppression you’re paying for to retrain and reset your diet away from poor food choices and bad habits. Otherwise, once you reach your goal and slowly wean off the drug those bad habits WILL come back because the beneficial effects will wear off. Think Cinderella at midnight.

If you want stand any chance to maintain ‘long term’ low cholesterol, low blood sugars, the slimmer figure, you have to learn to love vegetables, lean protein, healthy food groups and detach entirely from all the addictive bad stuff, Fizzy drinks, Biscuits, Crisps, Chocolate, Cheese toppings, Pizzas, Takeaways, Wine, Cakes, Energy drinks. These are all the devil, whether in huge servings or small portions. Many people can not have these ‘in moderation’.

WLIs offer you, the user a unique chance to hold back the urges and allow your body to reset. Cutting ties to poor choices whilst you’re not having compulsive thoughts about them and constant hunger is the key to long term success.

That is why people using Mounjaro are allowed/licensed to stay on it for life if they choose.

It isn't considered a 'diet', it is considered as a medication that corrects the metabolic and hormonal causes of obesity.

Ok, you win, you know lots of people personally who have lost lots of weight in mounjaro,then came off, couldn’t afford to go back on again and then regained at least double.

i stand corrected, we all fully accept you know all these people.

@Slibberydibbery obesity is a CHRONIC, PROGRESSIVE disease.
WLI is not meant to be a quick fix bathing suit trick.
Yes WLI or now available tablets for most will be for LIFE.
Some people simply enjoy good healthy food too much, some people struggle to be active for other reasons, and the weight piles on with time.

@Slibberydibbery not one person has said that that are against making healthier choices.

All of the responses are fairly similar in stating that your rant is unsolicited, preachy, pious and misplaced.

I am 4.10 and 8 stone something. Don't use WLI. Have done the occasional diet. Your 'advice' doesn't even apply to me and even I thought your approach was terrible!

You don't seem to want to acknowledge this, so crack on I suppose!

The majority of people do not want to be on medication or can’t afford the medication for the rest of their lives.

I’m not sure of the effects on pregnancy and breastfeeding etc but many medications aren’t safe to use in pregnancy.
It’s likely that these won’t be recommended for pregnant women.

This thread is about people who are not planning to stay on these injections for their entire lives, in which case they need to do other things to try and limit the weight gain once they come off of them.

Obviously those who are planning to stay on them for their entire lives, don’t need to worry about weaning themselves off of them.

There's a slight difference between developing medications which can be used to manage a number of very serious medical conditions, and being patronising on the internet.

Thank you.

By your logic the scientists who developed these drugs need to be examined as well to see what’s wrong with them for feeling compelled to help fat people?

Tell me you nothing about drug discovery, drug development & licensing without telling me you know nothing about drug discovery, drug development & licensing

Bore off

@Wonderi i doubt many people want to be on any medication for life BUT all the information on the drug when used for obesity is that once you reach normal BMI, you remain on the lowest possible dose to maintain that weight.

Bingo!

You cannot speak for the majority of people.

This thread was started by someone who is not using WLIs in order to tell them what they should and should not do. For some reason you are doing the same.

I would point out that coming onto a board about weight loss injections in order to tell people what they should do in order to diet, and how it won't work and they will get fat again but not their face or whatever shite, is a huge Red Flag that they themselves suffer from disordered thoughts about food and weight gain. And about fat people. It is simply not a normal thing to do. It is actually toe-cringingly obvious that the aim is not to be helpful.

Someone who used Mounjaro to get to a healthy weight from obese, and who finds that their underlying metabolic issues resurface can choose to try to to control it by diet, or to go back onto the drug if they need to for a period of time or forever AS THEY WISH OR SEE FIT. That is up to them and they do not need someone else telling them what they want.

I’m on many threads and pages and the majority of them are not planning on taking it for their entire lives.

I know some women who are using it to get their BMI down so they can TTC for example.

If you are staying on it for your entire life, then that’s fine but this thread was about the people who are planning to come off of it, not people like you.

So it seems odd that some posters are getting at OP for saying something that doesn’t affect them but if you aren’t ever planning to come off it then you are doing exactly what OP is doing.

Some people are planning to come off of it and it’s not for posters who aren’t planning on coming off if it to say that it’s not important to make changes physically or psychologically.

Of course you don’t care about weight gain afterwards because you’re not planning to come off of it or planning to keep going back on it.

But you don’t speak for those who aren’t wanting to do that, just as much as OP doesn’t speak for you.

What about people who buy this privately, what if their funds didn’t cover the supposedly better foods to eat and then there is buying the medication to deal with the side effects.

There is enough of a divide heading in this country and probably a reason why my doctors surgery wouldn’t hold a conversation.

I thought we were always learning? For example I don’t remember being told to prioritise protein. Why was Saxenda/Victoza the only daily injection with nothing to replace it. Why have we these days only weekly injections.

How did I get a fibroid and cervical myelopathy (both linked to obesity) only on my very slow weight loss journey on these injections - why hasn’t walking it off worked for them but can for diabetes?

Yes it might save the nhs money but at whose expense? It just made me smile when the diabetic nurse said (well asked me) I could come off the metformin and said the injections will stop any obesity related issues but what if that horse had already bolted.

I’ve been on these injections since late 2022 and as far as I was concerned always learning, first day as a non diabetic I wake to people arguing these injections are only for diabetics and even now people aren’t shameless to slate someone taking time to lose weight (whatever happened to lose weight slowly better chance of keeping it off) and conversely the other way when they simply didn’t know the person as bigger to judge anyone’s eligibility or lifestyle. I’m hardly magazine material but I’m starting to live as a non-diabetic ‘just in time’ who knows.

Please don't bring Mounjaro Support Facebook UK preaching here. It isn't a good look on there either.

If you are on Mounjaro and something worked for you feel free to share, but less of the "people need" tone please.

This is such a strange post. It’s not really something you want to discuss; your replies indicate you just want people to accept your view. I wonder if the issue is actually between you and your husband, as you are not obese, or taking any weight loss medication. Perhaps you are concerned that he will not maintain his loss? That is something best addressed between yourselves. If that sounds patronising, it is no more so than your post.

A lot of the ops posts are similar. She really likes to give advice to fat people.

I've been on Mounjaro since June last year. I eat exactly the same as I used to, just less of it. I've lost 3 stone, but more importantly, I had a full blood test last week and every single blood marker has improved since I started MJ, specifically my cholesterol levels and blood sugar levels. So thanks for your concern, but kindly pontificate elsewhere.

Edited to add that I know you're also banging on about people coming off the medication at some point, but I plan to keep using it or returning to it if necessary, as there are other important health benefits for me. My cholesterol levels are hereditary (Fredrickson type llb hyperlipoproteinaemia, to give it its full name), and I've had high levels at both a healthy and overweight BMI. All my lipid levels are in the normal range for the first time in 20 or so years.

For most people it is unrealistic to maintain a complete change in lifestyle. The advice is to keep making small sustainable changes and look at it as a 2 year journey.

I have been on MJ since November 1st 2024 and have lost 3 stone. Like previous posters all my blood markers have improved.

I have made small changes and continue to do so as anything drastic I can’t sustain. My weight-loss/gain cycle throughout my life is testament to this.

Everyone’s journey is different and for some people it just doesn’t work.

Actually OP many of us are healing from years of food restriction and diet culture and it’s really important that we STOP listening to advice from people like you and start eating intuitively.

I’m absolutely done with with listening to people (especially 10st people who probably know less about diet and obesity than all the obese people on this thread who’ve spent decades struggling and trying to solve their weight issues) wag their finger and say “YOU SHOULD DO X” or “YOU MUST DO Y”.

Guess what? We’ve had enough of it and we’re not taking it any more. I’ll tell you what I should and must do - I must give up obsessing and counting and tracking everything, and start to tune into food being fuel and being delicious and something not to fear. I should stop giving people like you - and the countless “experts” grifting a living by telling fat people how wrong they live their lives and how they need to follow this that or the other latest routine - any airtime whatsoever in my brain.

Why does this read like a blog post by someone trying to sell me an MLM protein shake.

Weird.

This is what I’m reading too- it’s not seen as a for life medication certainly not for everyone anyway. Some people are struggling to keep up with the monthly payments so will of course want to see great results and then come off sooner rather than later. Indefinite maintenance is not an option for everyone nor a necessity with some changes in food choices and habits (which they could be learning whilst using the WLIs)

It is wrong to assume that by losing weight from just eating smaller portions of the same foods you can maintain that behaviour once you come off the medication, it’s like thinking your blood will just thin itself out naturally if you came off blood thinners. It’s a recipe for failure and that’s my whole point.

There seems to be a grey area of understanding around this for many people (not all) and the fact that it’s being frowned upon to highlight this says a lot more about those defending poor choices than it does about me or anyone else pointing it out.

No one is having a go at ‘fatties’ or blaming them or any of the other slurs I’ve seen on this thread- I simply don’t want those spending a lot of money on this medication to be wasting their time or money because without making fundamental changes whilst using the jabs you face a huge battle and the potential remorse of regaining will hit hard and so the perpetual cycle continues when actually if they had made some changes to what they ate whilst they were paying for appetite suppression they may stand a chance of breaking the cycle long term.

It is wrong to assume that by losing weight from just eating smaller portions of the same foods you can maintain that behaviour once you come off the medication

Why? Do you know what I eat? What anyone eats? Do you think we all lived off takeaways and fried breakfasts every day and we are all just having smaller portions of crap? What 'fundamental changes' do you think we actually should be making to what we eat?

I simply don’t want those spending a lot of money on this medication to be wasting their time or money because without making fundamental changes

why do you have an opinion on what people do anyway? Who are you to want or not want anything for us? I couldn't give a crap what you want or don't want for me.

What a colossal bore.

So embarrassed for you.

What am I even reading. You may need to get some therapy. Seriously, this is not normal or healthy behaviour op. You’re literally obsessed with weigh loss drugs and fat people.

@Slibberydibbery ok, so you need to wind your neck in and stop now!