Sustainability. An outsiders question

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I am curious what happens when you lose all the weight. If no lessons about adequate nutrition have been learned do you need to be taking these injections for life?

I have seen some yo-yoing on here to be fair, but it tends to be either people who couldn’t afford it in the first place, or those whose heads weren’t really in it to get to a healthy weight, more drop a stone, and regain and start again.

most people are not in that bracket, it’s a tiny minority who are, and most can accurately assess their own finances short and long term and make a decision before starting in terms of if it works, this is my plan. So I don’t think there will be a lot of expensive yo yoing, but a small amount. As you’d expect.

I also recognise the mind set of how can anyone afford that. I grew up with skint parents, and they’d probably say something like that. I’m lucky enough as an adult I can afford it, through earnings and then eventually pension, but also recognise before that time price will come down as more drugs enter the market.

the poster also doesn’t know the regulations, which for mounjaro, is if you qualified in the first place, you can be prescribed for life, to avoid regain. So on a healthy weight, However you cannot get it at a healthy weight as a starting point.

I won’t yo yo, and I can see reading threads, most people won’t, but a tiny majority will. However that happens on any diet, look at slimming world, sure it’s cheap, but it’s a 97 percent regain rate.

Yes you hit the needle on the head there. If it was a piece of piss and just about exercising some discipline then nobody would be fat. And yeah I don’t have some compelling desire to stick a needle into my stomach on a regular basis that means I’d opt for expensive injections over simply eating healthy.

I am also a literal expert on nutrition. I make the healthiest meals known to man and then half an hour later I am consumed by sugar cravings and end up bingeing on haribos and biscuits (taking a trip to the shop - I already tried the not keeping them in the house thing). I’ve fished junk food out of the bin and eaten it before. I’ve deleted all the food delivery apps from my phone yet I still do it. When I binge eat, I can put away 7000 calories in a day quite easily. Almost three times what an adult male needs. It is not a normal way of eating or existing. Any work I did to try to lose weight was instantly cancelled out by just one session. There was no off button and there was no telling when the cravings would hit. I would shop for healthy foods and plan my meals around that but ended up forking out lots extra for binge foods and deliveroo. It also impacted my productivity hugely because on a binge day, I’d just want to sleep.

When taking Mounjaro, my appetite was not particularly suppressed but what was gone was the binge-cravings. I can eat normally now. I eat loads of protein and very healthily. Just like I did before on the non-binge days and how I know is good to eat. There is calm in my head now - not a panicked voice saying I need to eat as much as possible. I have no idea why I’d give that up.

I could have written this. I always beat myself up for being weak. I would do all the right things in terms of fibre, protein, healthy fats ect but would be starving an hour later. Have actually made myself quite ill by binging on food I have an intolerance of because its what I can get.

It's amazing how much a simple hormone can fix something have spend decades beating myself up about.

Everything here x 1 million 👏👏👏

This is me, my health has been my priority for the last 3.5 years (Im 55) and MJ is an investment in my health. Im fortunate that I can afford the medication but if it was a struggle I would prioritise this over a lot of other expenses.

Wow that's such a good explanation of what its like. And yes a simple injection makes our brian's just like normal people's brains and being able to implement all that knowledge we have with ease is great. It levels the playing field.

We don't beat asthmatic up for still needing an inhaler or for not being able to breath or take away their inhaler when they've been crisis free for a while. Or make them feel bad their lungs don't work like non asthmatic lungs do.

The judgement around it all is soul destroying.

As for affording it. We can't really. We've literally cut back on trips/kids activities to do it. I initially felt guilty but a post on here really hit me that kids would rather an alive mum than trips out so we're feeling the effects but hopefully it's an investment in health.

You aren't curious, you are here to have a go at the fatties, aren't you?

If only we could all be like you, eh?

Or in other circles having an opinion. Please try not to be offended by other peoples opinions. It's nothing personal.

Well if that were true I am also laughing at myself.

In your haste to join everybody else in some name calling you you have missed the point. In your own words:

1. I've now lost 5 and a half stone on MJ and my BMI is 22 ish. (ps congratulations)
2. I truly believed that keeping weight off was about will power, eating less, moving more
3. I don't want to take MJ for life

Okay....so now what do you do?

"if it was as straightforward as eating less and moving more, why would people pay for the injections in the first place?"

I would answer that but it will only lead to another pile on.

Oh because you don't think people eat well and exercise when on the injections? How do you think the drugs work? They don't melt the fat away on their own!

Oh good the op has come back for another go. Proper hates the fact we are all getting slim on these drugs.

tough op. Tough,

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The 'pile on' was because of your fatuous comments. If you have genuine insights please do share.

Read the second half of the sentence you quoted for your third 'point'. She said she's open to taking MJ for life. She'd prefer not to, but if that's what it takes then that's what she'll do.

Your question has been answered over and over on this thread, OP. You can believe that your personal opinion is of equal or more validity than the WHO's conclusions, and you can ignore what everyone has patiently explained but the thread now spells out the position on sustainability of WLIs, so what more do you need from it?

On a serious note though, do trolls users go into other niche boards such as Black Mumsnetters and Jewish Mumsnetters and start threads with their faux concerns?

We’ve really got to start ignoring these twats.

Couldn’t agree more.

@Shrinkingrose That gif is hilarious!

Oh good god, I could give entire lecture series on adequate nutrition, I know everything I'm supposed to be doing.

But, just like being a whizz at geometry doesn't make you a champion snooker player, knowing what and how I should be eating doesn't neatly translate into doing it.

Not least because with no feedback from my body, I have to manually count every calorie eaten, every calorie burned, and even then, it being an inexact science I have to track that against my weight - which is mentally exhausting (just ask how different life is for a diabetic now that they can monitor their bloodsugar continuously rather than using the charts to figure out what dose they need)

I'm firmly of the opinion that I'll be on a small dose of this medication for life, as it's the only way I've ever had a body that tells me when it's full, and that's the secret to being slim for most people.

I'm sure they do; there is no shortage of lonely, inadequate people on the internet who can't think of other ways to interact with people. Yes, if they were ignored then maybe they'd disappear but the positive effect of threads like this is the honesty and generosity of posters who share information, explanations and experiences which creates a lot of solidarity and common ground. And I think that other posters read, occasionally contribute or just lurk, and learn something too. There is such a lot of judgement and stigma attached to weight that I think a lot of overweight and obese people have suffered in silence thinking there is something uniquely wrong with them - the opening up around Mounjaro has shown me how common bingeing and yoyo dieting issues really are and how they follow such a recognisable pattern. It's not some terrible failure or deficiency in moral fibre, it's really clear that these physiological processes are taking place and that a lot of women have had similar experiences and are finding the same results on Mounjaro which is kind of revelatory and mind blowing. I think to some extent, goady spiteful trolls when they attack have actually opened the door to a real community and a wave of positivity and optimism for the future.

All I want to know is what you need do to maintain weight when the injections stop. The name calling is uncalled for.

Yours sincerely
Ms A Twat

Hi Mrs A Twat,
I answered you up thread
The injections don’t stop for me, I plan to be on these for life.

You don’t need to justify to this person, they already know, that’s why they just hate you’re getting the drugs. As said, I’m fairly sure this is someone who has named changed and posts regularly this sort of stuff.

they don’t want to hear about how it will benefit you. How you will keep the weight off. How slim you’re getting. They want to hear how you will fail. They want to tell you you will fail. How you will get fat again like them.

They want to have a go because you’re getting the drugs and they can’t. And their obsession with people getting these drugs and succeeding to lose weight, is driving them mad,

Dunno - we'll see when we get there. Probably keep taking it - unless I find that being light and slim makes some form of hard-core exercise enjoyable enough that I'm burning 1000s more calories/week.

What do you think people with diabetes/asthma/epilepsy etc. do once they have their condition under control? You keep using the medication that works.