Sustainability. An outsiders question

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I am curious what happens when you lose all the weight. If no lessons about adequate nutrition have been learned do you need to be taking these injections for life?

One article I saw the Dr was comparing it to blood pressure medication, you stop taking it, for most people it goes up.

However for many people it's nothing to do with "lessons about nutrition". Lots of research suggesting once the body has a higher set point it tries to get back there and the drive to eat isn't usually able to be overcome by "willpower". Over 90% of people who lose a substantial amount of weight out it back on.

Bit like blood pressure meds. Sometimes we can lower blood pressure with will power and lifestyle change. But we still give the meds and mang people will need to stay on them.

Those susceptible to obesity may well need the meds. We just don't know long term yet.

Maintaining a healthy weight is not about “learning lessons”… unless you think that the ‘problem’ with fat people is that they’re either wilfully ignorant and/or lazy (which to be fair, a lot of people do still think).

People who have never had a weight issue are metabolically healthy whereas obese people are metabolically damaged. Weight loss injections cure one of the symptoms of this metabolic disease - excess weight - but don’t necessarily alter the propensity to gain weight. So unless you’re quite lucky, and no matter how many “lessons” you think you’ve learned whilst taking WLI, you will be at risk of gaining the weight afterwards. Which is why many people are considering an ongoing maintenance dose, much as they would for example with a blood pressure medication.

If you agree that obesity is a disease then why would you stop a medication that deals with the symptoms of obesity and improves your health.

It might be that injections become the first line of treatment for the disease to resolve the symptoms (weight loss), then maintenance in the future might be in tablet form or the annual injection that is also being researched.

If you don't agree obesity is a disease requiring treatment then WLI will be like any other "diet" that has been tried, been successful and stopped and the weight comes back on.

"unless you think that the ‘problem’ with fat people is that they’re either wilfully ignorant and/or lazy (which to be fair, a lot of people do still think)."

The problem is that they either (i) eat too much or (ii) do not move enough. Often both.

But that is not the point of this thread.

No. Obesity is not a disease.

Compare people from the mid 20th century to people now. Obesity is due to several factors none of which I feel can be defined as a disease.

Ah no point engaging here. Do some research OP.

As we suspected @GoldfinchesInTheTree - OP is here to educate all us fatties that we need to just eat less and move more. Hold the front page!

1950’s were very different than nowadays re food production, transport, life in general. Post war society and still rationing in some areas. Not really a great comparison.
come on op, you can do better !

Time to get the bingo card out 😂

just need to find it

God anyone else cringing theirselves inside out reading this nonsense,

Oh gosh. Silly me. If only I'd just tried eating less.

Just as well no one sensible will ever ask you to define it then isn’t it.

Wow. The ignorance. If only I’d just thought about eating less

You are making my exact point. Back then these was less obesity because there was less food and typically humans had to do more physical exertion.

Obesity is not a disease unless we now define eating too much as a disease. 😂

Obviously for some people this is an emotive topic and getting defensive can be expected. But for 98% of those affected it's a function of their lifestyle choices, which is not a disease in my book.

Perhaps 2% at a push can be attributed to the ol thyroid.

So we aren't stupid and lazy then? Even though we need to learn what a vegetable is and why it's good for us.
What were you hoping to get from this thread OP? If it was a feeling of superiority, here you go - you are better than the fatties. Well done you.

Bingo!

Your "curiosity" is our lives, so, yes it's a bit emotive to be told that we're ignorant, lazy, and all the rest. You don't actually care about what happens when people get to their target weights, you don't even really think about us as people at all I don't think. It's just curiosity to you.

OK so if it was medically accepted in the 50s then it is fact?

OK so what about depression? Should just tell people to get over it and stop whinging? Or just lock them up so they dont disturb those normal people?

Let's reintroduce 1950s medical treatments for those weak willed fatties. Lobotomy anyone?

The WHO and every health body in the western world disagree with you about it being a disease. Decades of research has been done showing that once obese your body will fight to get back to that point. But you know more then those who have dedicated their lives to researching this topic.

On a population level societal shame does not prevent obesity in fact it worsens it. On a population level the US has seen its first reduction in obesity levels since they started measuring and similar trends are expected in this country.

What is it you’re trying to do here op; what is driving you?

you’ve come deliberately onto a sub forum, where you know people, mainly women, have weight issues and are taking the weight loss drugs for them, to inform them all they lack nutritional knowledge, eat too much and don’t move enough, that drugs don’t educate you and effectively point out they will regain the weight.

clearly you have little grasp of the complexities behind weight gain and absolutely no grasp of how the drugs work, the weight doesn’t magically go, you need to eat clean within a calorie deficit. And yes, many people will regain , for multiple different factors, so will stay on a low maintenance dose for life and are happy to do so, remaining slim and healthy for ever more, Others will not and will come off as they will be able to remain slim and healthy without them.

but the question remains, what is driving you? It is obviously a deeply unpleasant thing you are doing here.

are you envious, resentful, of people getting the drugs? What is your issue that you’re not revealing, as clearly there is one and it is very signficant, as no one behaves like this for no reason.

so this isn’t about us fatties, what led us to gain weight, or the fact we are all now getting slim or slim, it’s about you and whatever personal issue you face, that would drive you to behave in this deeply unpleasant and ignorant manner,

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In the 1950s there was less diabetes. In the Stone Age there was probably hardly any. Does that mean we shouldn’t treat it now?

And alcoholism? Should we stop looking for treatments for that?

Yes, true, but can you imagine how messed up about food and weight you’d need to be to take such issue with these drugs you’d feel compelled to do this?

I am trying to put myself in a situation where I’d be driven to do this, and all I can think is if was was so unhappy with my weight and could see people losing weight with these drugs and I couldn’t get them, that it consumed me, so under the cloak of anonymity I decided to do this.

or so consumed by staying slim, depriving myself, struggling,but enjoyed the superiority I felt it gave me, that the thought of people not struggling like that, being able to be slim without that struggle, again consumed me that under the cloak of anonymity I decided to go on line and do this.

i can’t think how it would make you feel better though. I’d still be consumed when the thread closed but additionally feel shit about myself.

Ok, you are ignorant to the root causes that obesity is a symptom of. Not our job to educate you - plenty of easy to access resources out there from professionals in this area of research if you are genuinely interested and able to extract yourself from your social conditioning..............which I suspect will be as difficult for you as it is for many people with obesity to address the underlying causes that are outside their control.

Answering your initial question - yes it is possible some people will be on these injections/or GLP1 medications in some form or another for life to protect themselves from obesity reoccurring (however it initially occurred).

Now off you pop.

I think you should go away and educate yourself elsewhere about the deeper causes of obesity, which are hormonal and beyond the reach of willpower, and then think about whether you need to walk into a forum for people who actually have this condition and inflict your lack of understanding about it upon them.