is taking weight loss medication cheating?

[theweightlossqueen]

i used to be a super sporty child and then life happened. i've put on a few pounds and my food (mainly snacking) choices aren't the best...

i feel like if i just dedicated time to exercising then i'd get fit but i don't want to keep the current relationship that i have with food, you know?

is taking weight loss medication cheating, really?

Its a struggle to get these injections on the NHS. So its another way that those who can afford to go private have an advantage over those that dont To then not say anything at a slimming class! Come the fuck on!
Personally i choose not to take this Im just following a healthy eating plan on my own. The grief diet works too

As a health practitioner you would be surprised how many people have blood pressure who are not overweight. They don’t go round with a sticker on their forehead. Equally you’d be surprised how many obese people have normal blood pressure.
Generally speaking, patients with type 2 diabetes tend to have BP problems. They are also more likely to have gum disease.
We are now aware of a genetic link between gum disease, T2diabetes and coronary artery disease which appears to have a genetic link. These findings are regardless of weight.
They also appear in isolation but if I see a patient with gum disease that appears middle age I encourage them to have their bloods checked for diabetes and coronary artery disease. Most are outwardly fit and healthy so have probably not been picked up as at risk.

These are the people who have heart attacks “out of the blue” or “drop down dead”. They have no idea of their underlying health risks.
Nobody is surprised by that morbidly obese friend who has serious health problems but we are all shocked by the marathon running friend who has a heart attack.

We can reduce our risks by eating healthily, maintaining a healthy weight and exercising regularly. But we can’t change our genes.
It’s far more complex than loosing a few stone. In fact if losing weight improves your bp that is reassuring. If you have no weight to lose and live a super healthy life it’s sort of out of your hands.

@JenniferBooth I have never been to SW or WW, so you have no beef with me. People on WLI tend not to need or want to go to these groups. I personally don't like ritual public humiliation, so wouldn't dream of going near any of them.

Your issue is with SW and WW, and their rules. Nothing to do with anyone here.

@Angrymum22
But the concept of eat less move more has been around for decades, centuries even. On a populationlevel it doesnt work. Rates of obesity are increasi g across the world. It is not that there is a lack of understanding its how to do it.

I have lost 4 stone in my late teens early 20s and managed to somewhat maintain for a few years but and this is the big But invariably once you have been obese your body will ways try to reset to that weight. In the same way i have had depression and while it is currently under control I am at a very high risk of relapse by virtue of having had it before.

In obesity you have a truncated expression of GLP 1 which is somewhat rescued with exercise but not totally. So why would you have an issue with targeting a dysregulated system to reset it. And yes much like an underactive thyroid it never really reset so some patients may be on it for life. The perception of just do better is not helpful as it further builds on the stigmatisation of obese people.
The use of these drugs is clinically beneficial where they are lisenced for use. If you disagree with the thresholds please suply the scintific evidnce to show this.

In terms of overdose this is a new one but essentially the risk is very very low

"Conclusions: Most GLP-1RA cases reported to US poison centers were associated with no or minimal effects and did not require referral for medical treatment; however, a notable minority of individuals experienced a serious medical outcome or healthcare facility admission."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11050669/
Yes there is an increase in the number of overdoses as the drugs are becoming more widely used but all drugs carry this risk. If this alone was grounds to withdraw drugs, drugs such as Ibuprofen and aspirin absolutely need to be removed from the market.

I’m always at these smug moranjo/ozempic users who say it teaches them good eating habits…just be sensible in the first place and allow diabetics the medication they need.
I'm ready to be sent to hell by mumsnetters!

That's not accurate for mounjaro and wegovy though. Alongside the better known weight loss outcomes, they are improving people's health. They decrease the risk of Alzheimers and dementia, they improve heart health and lower blood pressure and cholesterol. They're very effective at targeting visceral fat. There's also further research being done into the way they could potentially help with addictions beyond food.
They aren't a miracle, they are most effective when taken in conjunction with exercise, they do have potentially serious side effects but the range of potential health benefits from them is huge.

That's like saying people who have the money to go on holiday should choose not to, and if they do, don't tell anyone because there are people out there that have never seen the world because they can't afford it 🙄🙄🙄

I think they have enabled my DH to lose weight and have given him the opportunity to practise the skills to enable him to maintain the weight such as cutting out unhealthy snacks and reducing his portion sizes. I think of it as more of a support than a cheat (for example in an exam some students might need to use a laptop, a scribe or extra time - they are not cheating just getting the support they need)

So the issue isn‘t the injections themselves, it’s people that take them but aren’t honest when they turn up to weight loss groups? That’s a separate issue altogether.

What are you talking about, no diabetic is being denied meds, and no one said it teaches them good habits, as said it doesn’t down load a manual to our brains, we learn those on our own, no drug teaches people nutritional facts.

🤔How the fuck does that ridiculous analogy work? Unless you can hide the fact that you are going on holiday like ppl might not disclose to a WW class that they are on the injecton?

Are you in competition with the people in your weight loss class. Why is it important to you to know? It is none of your business.

I could write the damn book on food, nutrition and exercise but until I started Mounjaro never really understood the terminology of 'food noise' although I understood food preoccupied the majority of my thinking.

My food noise switch is now off. I eat really well but without thinking about it...I feel I eat like a naturally slim healthy person and I can now recognise when I'm full...but now I stop. Before I'd eat through that point...now I actually can't.

I would disagree that any of those outweigh a natural weight loss process, including bone health, body fat percentage, and impact on muscle mass.

All of those you listed are natural consequences of losing weight. But targeted health management along with weight loss gives far better outcomes as well as being thinner.

But just taking the jabs, letting it do the work, and chasing being thin, won’t give you the same health.

It just goes to show what you know then eh?

Go back to the previous page and you will see im not going to a class im losing weight on my own. And i dont want the injections You have got so eager and over excited to have a go you havent read my posts properly.

Funny how back in 2020/21 what injections people were having was everybody elses business!!

You clearly don’t understand the drugs, they don’t do the work. You need to eat within a calorie deficit or you won’t lose weight.

Health is not just a calorie deficit!!!!!

You sound jealous in all honesty. These women could have lost 3 stone purely calorie counting or SW or anything else and still look “ill”.

are you looking for weight loss or health? They aren’t the same

it can very much be both.

”So its another way that those who can afford to go private have an advantage over those that dont To then not say anything at a slimming class! Come the fuck on!”

^ you literally said people who have money have an advantage on people that don’t and reading between the lines of your other posts you don’t think they deserve to be in slimming world like it’s some sort of closed and exclusive you can’t sit with us club

Oh my goodness, are you ok, as it is starting to look like envy. Most people as said, myself included eat a healthy and balanced diet. Not least if you eat unhealthy you can have side effects.

I’m trying to impress on you that health is not just diet.

OP hasn't been back so...

What pleas gives you the impression any one of us don’t know this, and are not applying it? I myself have said it repeatedly. And confirmed I myself am eating healthy, what would you like. To come round my house and watch?