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Weight loss injections/treatments

Discuss weight-loss injections and treatments, including personal experiences. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any treatments.

is taking weight loss medication cheating?

244 replies

theweightlossqueen · 22/01/2025 11:11

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i used to be a super sporty child and then life happened. i've put on a few pounds and my food (mainly snacking) choices aren't the best...

i feel like if i just dedicated time to exercising then i'd get fit but i don't want to keep the current relationship that i have with food, you know?

is taking weight loss medication cheating, really?

OP posts:
lastminutetrip · 22/01/2025 11:39

Searchingforthelight · 22/01/2025 11:38

You obviously don't know anything about it then

black and white thinking.

Willowy1982 · 22/01/2025 11:40

But its a bit like that I can't change my 'mind set' to just not suffer with depression. Shame I can't just change my mindset eh?! Thankfully I have medications that I can be on for life to help me with this. Same with WLI, it was never about mind set, in fact I'd say my mind set to be healthy, exercise and not gain weight was bloody brilliant! Something else was failing my mind set. WLI has fixed that and I will stay on them long term.

SilenceInside · 22/01/2025 11:42

The OP won't be returning I'm sure. This is just a big old poke to stir the usual posts about WLI that we get over and over again.

HansHolbein · 22/01/2025 11:44

@SilenceInside New poster as well.. same old shit isn’t it.

TY78910 · 22/01/2025 11:47

lastminutetrip · 22/01/2025 11:25

I don’t think it teaches you anything about healthy eating or looking after your body, but I don’t think I’d call it cheating.

Depends how you get it tbh.
There are a lot of companies now that not only supply the injections but also then get you to speak to dieticians, log weight and meals and exercise along with mood and then guide you through your mental health struggles associated with the dips in sugar and carbs etc. DH uses one of those. I would assume NHS (if you qualify) will provide some sort of version of this guidance too.

The injections themselves aren't a magical remedy, you still need to change your lifestyle and diet (it's not just suppressing your appetite but also makes you really unwell if you eat certain foods) so that in itself forces you in to researching / following a better lifestyle

PinkArt · 22/01/2025 11:50

If this isn't just a goady post, why do you think they're cheating @theweightlossqueen?

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 11:52

lastminutetrip · 22/01/2025 11:38

I learned without them. That is also possible. I don’t think we should push either argument as the absolute only way and medical intervention and dependence on drugs should be the last resort imo.

are you looking for weight loss or health? They aren’t the same…

It’s just an odd thing to say, the drugs do not claim to download a nutrition manual to your brain and teach you to eat healthy, that’s on us.

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 11:53

PokerFriedDips · 22/01/2025 11:38

Absolutely. Fine if you can afford it and if no complications start emerging for people who are on them for 10+ years.

well due to the 15 years of testing and 20 odd years in general use in other guises, I’m ok with 35 years of data. Did you mean to write 50 years and not ten.

and yes, I can afford it.

TY78910 · 22/01/2025 11:53

And also to add:
I never struggled with weight myself but watching DH go through the motions really opened my eyes to what a struggle it is. It's not about educating yourself to 'just lose weight'. It's not that easy. He's done all the diets under the sun, trained hard but life has a way of bringing you back in to old habits and it's hard to get back out of the cycle. So it's not cheating, it's a leg up.

TurtleNest · 22/01/2025 11:56

Cheating who out of what?

Is it cheating to have pain relief for a headache, or for giving birth? Are you not doing it properly unless you suffer?

Is it cheating to take medication to bring down your blood pressure, if you're genetically predisposed to it being high? Should you be required to continue with high blood pressure and all the health issues it causes, because your willpower alone isn't enough to bring it to a healthy level?

LazyArsedMagician · 22/01/2025 12:06

I'm just about to start and quite frankly, I don't actually care if people think I'm "cheating".

I've been overweight practically all my adult life, which was a realisation that dawned on me only recently, and actually really upset me.

Angrymum22 · 22/01/2025 12:28

No. But having followed a few threads it doesn’t appear to address some of the underlying issues with weight management. There are a lot of WLI evangelists but they still seem to have an obsession with food.
I have found that disassociating from food has been the best way to maintain weight. People seem to live from meal to meal and obsess about how much they haven’t eaten suggesting that they are still heavily focussed on food.
I have discovered that if I only eat when I’m hungry and then stop when I feel full my weight drops off steadily. My problem was always comfort eating so have addressed that part of my relationship with food.
I occasionally crave food types but I now focus’s on why and then reason whether it’s necessary.

I naturally fast because I never wake up hungry. But once I’m hungry I then have my first meal of the day. This can be mid morning but sometimes late afternoon. One thing I don’t do is try to squeeze in 3 meals a day. If I’m not hungry until 4.30pm I’ll eat my main meal but then nothing else because it’s unlikely I’ll be hungry again.

I also don’t eat after 8pm because I suffer with reflux and it will wake me up. I can’t eat chocolate because this also results in severe reflux. The same with alcohol.

Not eating continuously through the day means that you can have a decent evening meal that doesn’t have to be low calorie, I try and avoid UPFs because they are often high carb. A balanced meal with a decent fat content helps suppress appetite. Fat is the one thing that helps control the hunger centre of our brain, higher fat meals are more satiating so we eat smaller quantities of the rest of the meal. Things like creamy sauces with pasta reduce the amount we eat. I also use butter rather than oils, apart from olive oil.

Again it seems to satisfy appetite better than vegetable oils which are harder for our bodies to process. Try eating a full fat yoghurt, it’s unlikely you’ll feel the need to eat another one straight after. In contrast the low fat/zero fat alternatives are unlike suppress your appetite, they often have a higher sugar content. You also feel justified in eating several of them.

Acceptance that as you get older you need less food helps to control your food intake. I now eat half the amount of food I did in my twenties when I was much more active. If we go out for a meal I struggle to eat more than the main course. I usually skip the starter and if I’m still hungry I may have a pudding but usually I’m too full.

Perpetually choosing the zero fat low calorie foods means you will stay hungry and eat more. Cutting out high calorie but low nutritional foods is a healthier way to approach dieting.

AnotherVice · 22/01/2025 12:33

@HansHolbein Is creating your bingo card supposed to discourage critical thinking? I mean in the academic sense? Doing a health related degree I think it's good to explore all the reasons why WLI might not be a good idea. If you decide they are then fine but don't ridicule people who are doing their research.

MzHz · 22/01/2025 12:35

Willowy1982 · 22/01/2025 11:23

Cheating who? There's only me in this race and how I choose to lose weight isn't cheating anyone else out of losing it their way. So where is the cheating?

beautifully said. Exactly - cheating WHO?

The joints that are groaning under the strain of the excess weight? the pre-diabetes? the elevated blood pressure? the vital organs? who here is being cheated?

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 12:37

Angrymum22 · 22/01/2025 12:28

No. But having followed a few threads it doesn’t appear to address some of the underlying issues with weight management. There are a lot of WLI evangelists but they still seem to have an obsession with food.
I have found that disassociating from food has been the best way to maintain weight. People seem to live from meal to meal and obsess about how much they haven’t eaten suggesting that they are still heavily focussed on food.
I have discovered that if I only eat when I’m hungry and then stop when I feel full my weight drops off steadily. My problem was always comfort eating so have addressed that part of my relationship with food.
I occasionally crave food types but I now focus’s on why and then reason whether it’s necessary.

I naturally fast because I never wake up hungry. But once I’m hungry I then have my first meal of the day. This can be mid morning but sometimes late afternoon. One thing I don’t do is try to squeeze in 3 meals a day. If I’m not hungry until 4.30pm I’ll eat my main meal but then nothing else because it’s unlikely I’ll be hungry again.

I also don’t eat after 8pm because I suffer with reflux and it will wake me up. I can’t eat chocolate because this also results in severe reflux. The same with alcohol.

Not eating continuously through the day means that you can have a decent evening meal that doesn’t have to be low calorie, I try and avoid UPFs because they are often high carb. A balanced meal with a decent fat content helps suppress appetite. Fat is the one thing that helps control the hunger centre of our brain, higher fat meals are more satiating so we eat smaller quantities of the rest of the meal. Things like creamy sauces with pasta reduce the amount we eat. I also use butter rather than oils, apart from olive oil.

Again it seems to satisfy appetite better than vegetable oils which are harder for our bodies to process. Try eating a full fat yoghurt, it’s unlikely you’ll feel the need to eat another one straight after. In contrast the low fat/zero fat alternatives are unlike suppress your appetite, they often have a higher sugar content. You also feel justified in eating several of them.

Acceptance that as you get older you need less food helps to control your food intake. I now eat half the amount of food I did in my twenties when I was much more active. If we go out for a meal I struggle to eat more than the main course. I usually skip the starter and if I’m still hungry I may have a pudding but usually I’m too full.

Perpetually choosing the zero fat low calorie foods means you will stay hungry and eat more. Cutting out high calorie but low nutritional foods is a healthier way to approach dieting.

I find this utterly bemusing, that’s the second person who is basically saying the drugs don’t teach you to eat healthy. No of course they don’t, it is not a claim made against them, they slow your digestive tract, and trigger a hormone in your brain to ensure you feel fuller, and stabilise your blood sugars.

what kind of magic do people think happens where we can take drug that teaches us to eat healthy , downloads a manual to our brains, and addresses underlying issues with food.

no such thing exists. It is not a claim made against them. It is utterly bemusing that some folks think the drugs are such a miracle they could even potentially do this.

LazyArsedMagician · 22/01/2025 12:38

@Angrymum22

Are you...I mean are you actually kidding with that monologue?

So what you're saying is - if I can do it, then anyone can!

I mean, thanks - I guess - for telling all us stupid fatties that all we need to do is eat less, and eat less but more filling stuff. I think we're aware by now.

winterdarkness · 22/01/2025 12:38

Are epidurals cheating? Anesthesia? Paracetamol? Hearing aids?

HansHolbein · 22/01/2025 12:39

@LazyArsedMagician Bingo!

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 12:40

HansHolbein · 22/01/2025 12:39

@LazyArsedMagician Bingo!

Now we need to add the drugs do not teach us nutritional values and address mental health issues.

oddest thing ever. 😂

LazyArsedMagician · 22/01/2025 12:42

AnotherVice · 22/01/2025 12:33

@HansHolbein Is creating your bingo card supposed to discourage critical thinking? I mean in the academic sense? Doing a health related degree I think it's good to explore all the reasons why WLI might not be a good idea. If you decide they are then fine but don't ridicule people who are doing their research.

Can I ask - genuinely - what research you're talking about?

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 12:45

AnotherVice · 22/01/2025 12:33

@HansHolbein Is creating your bingo card supposed to discourage critical thinking? I mean in the academic sense? Doing a health related degree I think it's good to explore all the reasons why WLI might not be a good idea. If you decide they are then fine but don't ridicule people who are doing their research.

It is supposed to amuse us due to thr repeated uses of the same daft comments.

please post your academic research though?

NotOlive · 22/01/2025 12:45

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 11:34

So why did you try the drugs and say you didnt learn anything?

I

NotOlive · 22/01/2025 12:46

Sorry posted by mistake

Angrymum22 · 22/01/2025 12:46

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 11:53

well due to the 15 years of testing and 20 odd years in general use in other guises, I’m ok with 35 years of data. Did you mean to write 50 years and not ten.

and yes, I can afford it.

Mounjaro has only been licensed for use since 2022, although the family of drugs has been around for a while it does not mean that this individual drug will be safe longterm based on data from similar compounds.
I would like to see 10+ data on Mounjaro/tirzetipine used in the general population before using it myself. All studies prior to licensing are restricted in one way or another so not a true reflection on how the drug will act in a large group of people where selection has not taken place.

Having taken part in a major drugs trial in my 20s I have now been put on a screening programme for heart valve monitoring because the drug I have been using successfully for 35+ years has now been found to cause damage to heart valves after longterm use.

Incidently, when I started taking it I lost 10kg in the first two months ( it’s an endocrine drug) , I had to stop taking it last year and have gained weight as a result. It would never have been licensed as a weight loss drug because there are too many side effects. And now that heart valve damage is one of them it’s likely to be discontinued longterm.

Not all side effects are visible short term. I hope that the increased risk of thyroid cancer with tirzetipine doesn’t tern out to be a major problem in 20yrs.

Dietingfool · 22/01/2025 12:51

Angrymum22 · 22/01/2025 12:46

Mounjaro has only been licensed for use since 2022, although the family of drugs has been around for a while it does not mean that this individual drug will be safe longterm based on data from similar compounds.
I would like to see 10+ data on Mounjaro/tirzetipine used in the general population before using it myself. All studies prior to licensing are restricted in one way or another so not a true reflection on how the drug will act in a large group of people where selection has not taken place.

Having taken part in a major drugs trial in my 20s I have now been put on a screening programme for heart valve monitoring because the drug I have been using successfully for 35+ years has now been found to cause damage to heart valves after longterm use.

Incidently, when I started taking it I lost 10kg in the first two months ( it’s an endocrine drug) , I had to stop taking it last year and have gained weight as a result. It would never have been licensed as a weight loss drug because there are too many side effects. And now that heart valve damage is one of them it’s likely to be discontinued longterm.

Not all side effects are visible short term. I hope that the increased risk of thyroid cancer with tirzetipine doesn’t tern out to be a major problem in 20yrs.

sadly that’s always the risk when you take drugs in the trial stage, was this not explained to you? If not you have a case. Was it a medical need or did you don’t for the money?

and yes, I understand you’ve a different risk axis to others, but you can rest easy, no one is asking you to take the drugs. So you do not need to defend why you personally are too scared to.

I am happy to look at the trial outcomes, the history and take these safe drugs, as I am other meds, like my bp meds, or even nurofen, even knowing 2000 people a year die from the latter, you are not and that’s ok.

as said though, you can stand down, no one is going to make you take the drugs.

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