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Mounjaro / Wegovy with > 5st / 30kg to lose: Thread 4

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VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 19/11/2024 13:29

Thread 4 (!) of this lovely community. Anyone using weight-loss injections to lose more than 5 stone or 30kg is very welcome to join us.

No discount codes, please - these need to go in the dedicated thread on this board and they will be deleted.

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NearlyNewHip · 27/11/2024 06:49

Beautifulweeds · 26/11/2024 22:42

Planning to start. I have some doubt though. The diet you need to follow is surely a diet which can help to lose weight anyway? Just thinking about chemical injections when following the strict regime could work on its own?

Honestly and seriously looking for confirmation please. X

Agree that I could and have lose the same amount of weight following Slimming World or Weight Watchers. But..... I'm in week 7 now of using MJ and I can honestly say that I have no desire to 'cheat', I'm not looking for ways to get in a chippy tea or maximise points/syns to get a bag of crisps. At this point in SW I'd be starving and miserable and eating far too little just so I can have a satisfying dinner at some point. That's what MJ does for me, it helps me make the better choice without effort or feeling deprived and so it feels sustainable. I really feel I will get to my goal weight. I dont feel hungry all the time, I feel hungry at mealtimes and my 1400 calories let me have 3 sensible meals and I'm not constantly battling with myself about how to get more food. Hope that makes some sense x x

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 27/11/2024 06:53

Beautifulweeds · 26/11/2024 22:42

Planning to start. I have some doubt though. The diet you need to follow is surely a diet which can help to lose weight anyway? Just thinking about chemical injections when following the strict regime could work on its own?

Honestly and seriously looking for confirmation please. X

If you are able to stick to a calorie deficit for the period of time that it takes you to lose five or more stone then no, you don't need to use injections.

Everything is 'chemicals', by the way. I'm drinking a big glass of chemical compound right now.

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peonym · 27/11/2024 07:40

InfoSecInTheCity · 26/11/2024 17:20

@KittensUnderTheDuvet yes, since going on MJ I've been able to drop the insulin completely and moved from 4 to 1 metformin tablet a day. My sugar readings have gone from being in normal range 45% of the time to 100% time and I've lost just over 2 stone, so as far as I'm concerned it's a bloody miracle drug.

That's amazing. I love to hear it!

WeAllHaveWings · 27/11/2024 08:47

Beautifulweeds · 26/11/2024 22:42

Planning to start. I have some doubt though. The diet you need to follow is surely a diet which can help to lose weight anyway? Just thinking about chemical injections when following the strict regime could work on its own?

Honestly and seriously looking for confirmation please. X

It is good you are asking the questions before embarking on using weightloss injections as they are a huge commitment both physically and financially. The WLI do not change the basic rule of if you eat less calories that you burn you will lose weight, so yes you need to eat less.

For me, as someone who was morbidly obese and yoyo dieted for 20+ years, and failed each time, I am hoping they help we do this longer term to reach a healthy weight.

I have lost 4st so far, which is around the normal point where I start to fail/give up because it has been a long hard slog of months and months fighting the obsession with food every day. So far I have no intention of stopping. I am on lower doses which give me some appetite suppression while still needing some will power too, but it is enough so I don't feel I am depriving myself significantly which the a huge different from previous diets.

I have no desire to snack - I eat my dinner and then forget about food for the evening. I have no desire for sugar/fizzy drinks/alcohol - I assume because of the changes it makes to my blood sugars - and I don't miss them either. I have no desire for huge plates of carbs or heavy sauces - I assume because of the slowing of digestion and feeling of fullness I fancy something less heavy. It is now my norm to eat off a small plate instead of my huge dinner plates. I am not even thinking about coming off it to "enjoy" Christmas, my food tastes have changed and I will enjoy Christmas without the gluttony. Hopefully that is the difference that will help me continue beyond this stage.

You are correct you will need to follow a diet, the WLI is only a helping hand, if it works for you in the same way.

If I could follow a strict regime long term, I wouldn't be using them. I assume you have trouble with that too, as you are here asking the question?

BingoWingsOverScotland · 27/11/2024 09:40

I'm never sure if you can separate the physical from the psychological parts of appetite, particularly if you're female. We've been fed so many messages about how thinness equates to being "good" and how your worth is bound up in your appearance, I think it's really hard to find many women who don't have a complicated attitude to food.

alltablenochairs · 27/11/2024 11:43

@Beautifulweeds
You are absolutely correct to be questioning this. I did a lot of thinking before I started MJ myself. MJ isn't a quick fix, neither is it a 'fat jab' like what some sectors of the media seem to think. I still need to think about what I'm eating.

Yes, I have lost weight on $l!mming world before. Repeatedly. By this point $W has become all encompassing for me and I'm contemplating doing stuff like making lemon flavoured cous cous cakes (don't do this) and the chocolate mug cake (really don't do this). It becomes all I can think about and I end up eating strange foods and in a place that's probably not the best for me. You may or may not have picked up on my posts but I have a lot of 'stuff' going on in my life. In short I have a disabled child with complex needs and I also have my own needs. I don't have the time in my life or the energy to add another layer of complexity in my life and start obsessing over which crisps have the lowest amount of $yns in them and whether my jacket potato is the prescribed size.

MJ works for me. It cuts out all the obsessing about food and ai feel fuller for much, much longer. Quite simply I couldn't care less about eating again today (I will though tonight). It's also having some side effects that are beneficial for me, some less so (constantly freezing!). If it takes a chemical to do that for me then yeah, I'm gonna go for it.

All things are chemicals by the way. My powerchair is powered by chemicals, I'm drinking a mix of carbon dioxide and dihydrogen oxide, I wash with chemicals, I eat chemicals, I wear chemicals and I take chemicals (not MJ) every day to have a basic level of function.

RobinEllacotStrike · 27/11/2024 11:59

@KittensUnderTheDuvet great loss!! Well done.

I think MJ & weighloss really is an exercise in patience. As I see it the time will pass anyway, and I'd rather my weight is going down than staying the same weight or gaining.
Your guilty feelings aren't going to help you and must be difficult to deal with constantly. How about trying radical acceptance? Every time those thoughts come, have a mantra to tell youself you are just where you need to be right now, you love & support yourself etc - whatever works for you. If you can focus on simply accepting yourself and your situation you will start to feel much better. There is nothing you can do about the past - other than a detached acknowledgement that it happened and it is in the past. All you can control is right now - and right now you need support, encouragement, acceptance in this moment - and you need this from yourself. This is how you affect change so the future differs from the past.

I didn't have my children until 40 & 43. We read so much about womens fertility etc, but in reality many many women have children in their 40's. The women are healthy and the babies are healthy. It can be terrifying to read the negitives around PG especially in older women, but we generally only hear the bad things. There are many other women having babies in the 40's without drama.
Who knows what your experience will be? You don't know. It sound like you have good genes in this regard.

What will be will be. All your guilt is doing is making you feel rubbish now. And that not only reduces the quality of your daily life, but how you feel about yourself overall. You need to feel good about yourself now, in this moment.

So you made some bad decisions in the past - nothing can change that. Boost yourself. Accept yourself, make yourself feel good this day, and the next.

I think many of us can relate to what you are saying.

It is quite easy to feel bad about ourselves and to beat outselves up - many especially more so as having lived in an overweight body for some time. Just like the older mum, the overweight woman gets much negitivity directed towards her from the wider world.

For me, I have found over the years the times I have felt truly excellent is when I am regulalry practicing dynamic yoga. I don't meditate "officailly" but I use my tendancy to day dream as mini meditations. I watch my breath. I stretch. When I swim in the sea I always take a moment to have a wee chat with the "universe" and convey my gratitude. Doing this regualrly for a few years now really works for me - it makes me feel better about myself, my life, and gives me strenght and support to know I can face whatever the day brings.

I'm not suggesting you take up yoga. But I am suggesting you do things that make you feel good, and do these daily. When I started MJ I couldnt do the yoga I am doing now. I started at the gym with very gentle classes. I went regularly and slowly but surely I became stronger. I stopped wanting to throw up. I started enjoying it & looking forward to getting onto the mat. TGHis is how progress & change happens.

Find what makes you feel good. Do that.
Stop indulging your pointless corosive guilt about the past. Catch yourself. Intervene every single time. Be your own friend. You will break the habit.

We women on this thread are on a long undulating weighloss road. I am so happy and grateful to be here. Settle down, drink water, love & support ourselves so we can keep going.

Keep going and your life in 1 year, 2 years, could be unimaginably different from today.

Thank you for reading my Ted Talk 😁😁

PS NSV - I was on belt hole #1 when I started MJ. I am now on belt hole #5!!!

Arglefraster · 27/11/2024 12:07

Ahh @RobinEllacotStrike you have no idea how much I needed to read
"As I see it the time will pass anyway, and I'd rather my weight is going down than staying the same weight or gaining."
today.
Thank you for your Ted talk 😉

I'm having a major wobble just now & finding it hard to engage fully but reading everyone's posts & wishing you all good things 💐

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 27/11/2024 12:07

I love your writing, @RobinEllacotStrike Flowers

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Beautifulweeds · 27/11/2024 12:10

alltablenochairs · 27/11/2024 11:43

@Beautifulweeds
You are absolutely correct to be questioning this. I did a lot of thinking before I started MJ myself. MJ isn't a quick fix, neither is it a 'fat jab' like what some sectors of the media seem to think. I still need to think about what I'm eating.

Yes, I have lost weight on $l!mming world before. Repeatedly. By this point $W has become all encompassing for me and I'm contemplating doing stuff like making lemon flavoured cous cous cakes (don't do this) and the chocolate mug cake (really don't do this). It becomes all I can think about and I end up eating strange foods and in a place that's probably not the best for me. You may or may not have picked up on my posts but I have a lot of 'stuff' going on in my life. In short I have a disabled child with complex needs and I also have my own needs. I don't have the time in my life or the energy to add another layer of complexity in my life and start obsessing over which crisps have the lowest amount of $yns in them and whether my jacket potato is the prescribed size.

MJ works for me. It cuts out all the obsessing about food and ai feel fuller for much, much longer. Quite simply I couldn't care less about eating again today (I will though tonight). It's also having some side effects that are beneficial for me, some less so (constantly freezing!). If it takes a chemical to do that for me then yeah, I'm gonna go for it.

All things are chemicals by the way. My powerchair is powered by chemicals, I'm drinking a mix of carbon dioxide and dihydrogen oxide, I wash with chemicals, I eat chemicals, I wear chemicals and I take chemicals (not MJ) every day to have a basic level of function.

Yes I agree about the chemicals, I meant putting even more in lol 😆 Thank you for replying and glad it's helping you. I've heard great things about it but am a bit cautious as I get faint and shakey if I don't eat much but I assume the body adjusts itself? Xx

RobinEllacotStrike · 27/11/2024 12:19

You've got this @Arglefraster !! Settle in for the journey, and keep going.

Thank you @VelociraptorsVelociRapping that was lovely to read x

alltablenochairs · 27/11/2024 12:39

@Beautifulweeds

It does balance out, yes. One of the benefits of MJ for me is that if I eat too much or more to the point too much of the wrong thing then I know alllllll about it. Sulphur burps are as unpleasant as they sound. Easily solved by Holland and Barrett peppermint capsules.
I had breakfast this morning at 8am (2 hash browns, spoon mushrooms, spoon beans and a bowl of mixed melon). I still feel totally full and don't want a single thing else to eat. Tonight I believe DH and I are going to a small plates curry restaurant.

DH and I are away at the moment BTW.

Doggymummar · 27/11/2024 12:45

It's amazing I find how little we can get by on. I. S one meal a day person. But prior to MJ I would have been starving all day. Now I reckon I could go a few days without eating ( I won't) only thing I seem to have no top limit for is Bailey's, I'm hoping stepping up to ten will cure that as it is hugely calorific.

PotatoBreadForTheWin · 27/11/2024 12:58

VelociraptorsVelociRapping · 27/11/2024 12:07

I love your writing, @RobinEllacotStrike Flowers

Me too. Fabulous TED talk 🙌👏👏

RobinEllacotStrike · 27/11/2024 13:04

"small plates curry restaurant".

I've not heard of this before but it sounds perfect for the MJ market.

I haven't been eating out much. I went to a restaurant with my brother a few weeks ago and while I really enjoyed what I wanted to eat, brother loved all the bonus portions from my plate.

KittensUnderTheDuvet · 27/11/2024 13:54

BingoWingsOverScotland · 27/11/2024 09:40

I'm never sure if you can separate the physical from the psychological parts of appetite, particularly if you're female. We've been fed so many messages about how thinness equates to being "good" and how your worth is bound up in your appearance, I think it's really hard to find many women who don't have a complicated attitude to food.

I’m sure this might be true for some women, but it doesn’t tally with my personal experience at all. It’s always felt like a lazy assumption trotted out by the self-help industry or clueless GPs: “You can’t control your appetite, cravings, or eating patterns? This is most likely due to childhood trauma and societal pressure. Let us sell you a mountain of books and years of therapy to help with that!” Or, “There’s nothing medically wrong, and many of my other patients manage to stay slim, so clearly this must be a psychological issue.” Ugh, no. It’s not that simple.

Maybe I have strange friends and family, but I know plenty of women who seem to have a healthy relationship with food and their bodies. They enjoy their food and wine without any weird must-eat-like-a-bird or snippy comment portion control antics or orthorexic tendencies, no obsession with skinniness, but still conscious of staying healthy and able to rein it in before their weight spirals out of control. When I read those legendary threads on MN about competitive under-eating or 'MIL/DM serves tiny portions to women', it’s a dynamic I just don’t recognise from my circle. Yes, I know a few women like that, but they’re very much not the norm in my experience and everyone else thinks they're crackers!

There’s always been social pressure for women to be thin. I’d even argue that being fat used to be far less acceptable than it is now. But the global obesity epidemic is a much more recent phenomenon. Do all these people with weight problems have mental health issues that make them overeat? Or is there a more likely physical root cause, possibly triggered by the constant availability of tasty food and more sedentary lifestyles? I’m not saying therapy isn’t helpful - it absolutely should be offered to those who feel they’d benefit - but I’m tired of it being pushed as the solution. Just because we don’t fully understand the mechanisms behind appetite and weight gain yet doesn’t mean there isn’t an underlying medical problem.

I had an interesting chat somewhat related to this with the psychiatrist who diagnosed my ADHD. He specialises in adult ADHD, particularly in women, and said weight issues and binge-eating disorder are very common among women with ADHD. He mentioned that he was working with women in clinical treatment for food addiction and BED and had found that a very significant percentage likely have undiagnosed ADHD. According to him, their disordered eating was at least partially explained by dopamine-seeking behaviours. And of course, that ruins your metabolic health over time, making everything 10 times worse.

For me, this explanation fit perfectly with my own history of weight struggles. I was a chubby child and teenager, with dopamine-seeking behaviours (not just food, impulsive shopping and other things too!) for as long as I can remember. But I had an idyllic and incredibly happy childhood, where I was never made to feel my worth was tied to my appearance. My mum, who has always been very slim but never judgemental about my weight, cooked fresh, healthy meals. I was always out riding horses or playing sports nearly every day. Objectively, there’s no reason I should have been overweight.
Yet, I remember being five or six years old, secretly raiding the fridge for cheese topped with butter or sneaking into my granny’s sweet drawer for chocolate and biscuits. This crazy appetite and these cravings have always been there, and nothing before Mounjaro has made a real difference. Low-carb diets helped a little, but the relentless food noise never went away. I’ve managed to lose significant amounts of weight and get to something normal-ish several times, but it’s always been so exhausting that I eventually cracked and put it all back on and then some.
I tried Ritalin, which helped with other ADHD symptoms but wasn’t a magic bullet. My psychiatrist felt therapy wouldn’t solve the problem and actually recommended weight-loss surgery (a hard no from me!). This was before Wegovy and Mounjaro - I wonder what he’d say now.

I’ve always believed in taking responsibility for myself and owning my choices. Not being able to fix this has been massively frustrating, on top of the obvious health issues and the impact on my life in general. I have no idea if Mounjaro will be the long-term solution - everything else has failed eventually - but for the first time in my life, I don’t have this constant deafening food noise that always brought things crashing down. For that alone, I’m so grateful for this drug.
Sorry for the essay, btw!

@RobinEllacotStrike
Thank you so much for your wonderful uplifting post - it really means a lot. You’re absolutely right that it’s important not to beat myself up about a past I can’t change. I'm generally an eternal optimist and never down for long, but it’s great advice to consciously focus on what makes me happy instead of getting bogged down by guilt.
I don’t love exercise enough to find real fulfillment in it (maybe that’ll change one day), though I do enjoy walking, swimming, and sailing. But I’m a huge interior design geek! We’ve bought a plot of land and are currently planning our dream house, so there’s loads to look forward to and get excited about (even if the financial side is a bit daunting). On top of that, I have the loveliest, most supportive DH, who sensed I was feeling a bit down last night and cheered me up in no time. So really, I have so much to be grateful for.

Beautifulweeds · 27/11/2024 15:11

alltablenochairs · 27/11/2024 12:39

@Beautifulweeds

It does balance out, yes. One of the benefits of MJ for me is that if I eat too much or more to the point too much of the wrong thing then I know alllllll about it. Sulphur burps are as unpleasant as they sound. Easily solved by Holland and Barrett peppermint capsules.
I had breakfast this morning at 8am (2 hash browns, spoon mushrooms, spoon beans and a bowl of mixed melon). I still feel totally full and don't want a single thing else to eat. Tonight I believe DH and I are going to a small plates curry restaurant.

DH and I are away at the moment BTW.

Wow that's amazing! Xx

alwaysscared · 27/11/2024 21:19

I've really fallen off the wagon, my son has gone into severe crisis and I have turned to food. I have binged the last few days on lots and lots of jelly babies.
I don't know how to get out of this dark place. I can't stop eating the jelly babies, even when I feel sick from them. It's like some sick game I am playing with myself.
I am fine until I eat my evening meal, then I just want to eat and eat and eat.
I could cry, I really could.

Pumpkinforever · 27/11/2024 21:21

I watched the BBC programme Irresistible : Why we can’t stop eating’.. Really interesting

SilenceInside · 27/11/2024 21:32

@alwaysscared that is a lot of stress in your plate at the moment. Honestly don't beat yourself up about food when you're dealing with a crisis situation.

Would it work if you were to throw all the jelly babies away?

alwaysscared · 27/11/2024 21:43

@SilenceInside yes it would but I can't bring myself to! I keep getting my DH to get me some, I need to stop

SilenceInside · 27/11/2024 21:59

Totally understand the difficulty with getting past the hurdle of removing the jelly babies. It's so difficult in very stressful situations to remove something that you've become accustomed to having to relieve that stress. Especially if you haven't got an effective replacement for it. If it helps you through a stressful time it won't be the end of the world or the end of your weight loss journey, just a hiccup on the way.

KittensUnderTheDuvet · 27/11/2024 22:26

@alwaysscared I get where you‘re coming from – the whole bingeing even when you're about to be sick thing is something I've experienced too. Even in that moment, you’re fully aware you’re badly sabotaging yourself, but still you just can’t stop, and it feels pretty dark. But here's the thing: falling off the wagon for a bit won’t erase all the hard work you’ve put in, the weight you've lost, or the health improvements you've made over the past few months. It’s just a small setback, and you can get back on track once you’re feeling a bit more stable.

In a calmer moment, maybe it's worth getting rid of any leftover jelly babies and asking your husband to refuse to buy them even if you ask him to. I know this might not be the most healthy solution, but could you try redirecting the urge to binge towards something healthier like veggie sticks? Ideally, you'd do something completely different, but if chewing on something helps you cope with stress or deal with a crisis, it might be worth a try?

Hang in there! You‘ve done so well and you‘re dealing with a lot, so some slip-ups are perfectly understandable, or even to be expected, really.

Timetofindme · 28/11/2024 06:32

Weigh day yesterday for me and I've just edged into the next stone bracket down! Overall I've lost 25.8 lbs in 12 weeks so not whizzing off but very happy! Mentally it feels awesome to be in the next stone down and realised yesterday I can't remember the last time I ate chocolate. Bizarre! Next milestone will be hitting 2 stone off, hopefully within the next couple of weeks!

TorturedParentsDepartment · 28/11/2024 09:44

I've just done the extra jab out of my 2.5 pen - got a full dose using a syringe to extract it... weighing's not been great last few days as I've yo-yoed between 21st 6lb and 21st 11lb today, so I'm taking 21st 9lb as about the average and it's the time of the month when I'm due on so I'm hoping there'll be a drop after that because I've definitely kept to a calorie deficit but not gone too low with it, so mathematics has to win out overall. Will go up to 5mg next jab but I wasn't going to let the unused primer dose in the pen go to waste if I could help it.

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