Page 7 | Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

AboutVattime · 2024-10-07T17:59:34+00:00

I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10 I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally. When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand. However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ??? Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ? Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

MurdoMunro · 07/10/2024 20:28

ChangeHasCome · 07/10/2024 20:18

Exactly. They don't care about it. They just want to see obese people suffer and fail so that they can keep passing moral judgements on them. 'You'll gain it all back' is like saying "What's the point? Don't find another way to lose weight, just keep struggling and I'll keep telling you how to lose weight".

It's like telling someone with depression not to take AD medication because if they come off it, they'll become depressed again. Just do it 'naturally'. In other words, what's the point?

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That’s a great analogy. Very helpful to my understanding. My husband struggles with anxiety, if he stops the sertraline things can get gnarly, the anxiety overwhelms him. If he sticks with the setraline he says he is able to access the CBT and talking therapy strategies. The drugs don’t cure but they set him down on the tracks. It seems possible that these weight loss treatments might work in a similar way, for some people maybe?

Imjustlikeyou · 07/10/2024 20:29

Can anyone tell me where to order? I have been looking into it but nervous about who/where to go from. Thank you!

bringslight · 07/10/2024 20:30

Overweight is not always and is has never been culturally seen as life threatening, in some countries, even as a sign of good health

NonStopMoaning · 07/10/2024 20:30

I looked into them, but for the price I've decided to spend the money on a personal trainer and make some permanent lifestyle changes with her support. The body changes will definitely be slower but I hope new habits will form.

I have finite money to spend and was worried that although the injections would work, if I don't make changes it won't be sustainable. Lots of people put back on a significant proportion of their weight loss when they stop taking them.

Applesonthelawn · 07/10/2024 20:30

It's because when people are overweight, as well as not liking how they look and feel about it, they feel shame that they are unable to control their appetite and exercise sufficiently, because apparently, that's easy for all self-disciplined people. Taking weight loss medication does not get rid of that shame - the drug is controlling your overeating, not your own self-control. So they are secretive sometimes because just for a while they want to pass as a self-disciplined normal person without judgement from anyone, and who can blame them?
I think it's nothing to be ashamed of and the drugs, if they work for you, are brilliant.

Telepathickitty · 07/10/2024 20:31

I've lost 9 stone in 15 months "naturally". Still more to lose. I've had a couple of people ask if I'm on ozempic or had surgery. If I was I probably wouldn't tell anyone due to the judgements people make. It's not really anyone's business how I've done it.

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:31

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 07/10/2024 20:17

Why is it ridiculous? All drugs have possible side effects thst could be harmful or deadly to the wrong person.

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Then why do you ask if it should be taken off the shelves?

soupfiend · 07/10/2024 20:32

CrazyGoatLady · 07/10/2024 20:25

I honestly think some people want others to stay obese so they can feel better about themselves for being slimmer and pretend it's all because they're better/have more willpower as opposed to simply having won the genetic lottery. Obese people are a convenient boogeyman for those who like hand wringing about the state of the NHS, cost to the taxpayer, etc.

They should be directing their ire at the food industry and the government that does only token things to regulate it, and a NHS that is so bloated with admin and so behind the times it can't function properly. Wasting its time on DEI bollocks while struggling families wait 18 months for CAMHS. I couldn't stand it any more.

By the way, many ultra processed foods have undergone much less rigorous testing than Ozempic and the like. And nobody is up in arms about the crap the industry is allowed to feed people, and the unknown health implications of that further down the road. But no, it's the jabs that are bad...

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Blimey your last paragraph is such a good point!

Im going to steal it for other threads!

EasternStandard · 07/10/2024 20:32

I think it’s a breakthrough drug that will really help healthcare and people

I’m kind of envious of Denmark for getting there and reaping all the rewards financially

Internationalteapot · 07/10/2024 20:32

I think people use exercise and healthy eating as a kind of virtue signalling, as if doing these things means that you’re somehow a better person. Saying you just lost it through jabs means you don’t get the same credit for “working hard” to lose the weight because you took the “easy route”.

NettleTea · 07/10/2024 20:32

MargaretBetts · 07/10/2024 19:41

The number of judgy responses on here underlines why. There by the grace of god and all that. I was a lifelong size 8-10 until chemo and hormone treatment. Now an 18. I’ve finished my treatment but the weight hasn’t shifted (along with the facial hair). Mounjaro is my next stop tbh. I don’t overeat, I walk almost everywhere I can. My metabolism seems to be stuck, something that my consultant acknowledges. It’s more complicated than calories in and calories expended.

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I was a size 8-10 until 36, when something, I dont know what, 2 years after the birth of my daughter, triggered lymphodema, and I put on 2 stone in 2 months.

Now, after the second child, at 40, which really pushed the lymphodema buttons, so much that I now need compression stockings forever, my body has 'settled' at a size 18 ish, and from the side I look pregnant.

my eating habits never changed - if anything they improved. Lymphodema puts fat down in different ways - primary lymphodema is looking increasingly like an autoimmune inflammatory disease, the fat cells change shape and go into places they shouldnt be. Ive tried so many diets its unbelievable.

your body can react to so many things and do weird shit. Its really not as simple as calories in, calories out.

doodleschnoodle · 07/10/2024 20:33

Personally I think these drugs will end up being one of the greatest medical discoveries this century. Being able to cure obesity in patients who have struggled with it their entire lives alongside all the other things that scientists are finding GLP-1 agonists can help with: fatty liver disease, brain disorders such as Parkinson's, heart attack and stroke in healthy BMI patients. They will become commonplace like statins I would think in the next decade, especially when the patents start to expire and they are produced more cheaply and extensively.

itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:33

Internationalteapot · 07/10/2024 20:32

I think people use exercise and healthy eating as a kind of virtue signalling, as if doing these things means that you’re somehow a better person. Saying you just lost it through jabs means you don’t get the same credit for “working hard” to lose the weight because you took the “easy route”.

The thing is to get the best results and long term effects you need to eat healthily and exercise anyway, so these people are just ignorant

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AboutVattime · 07/10/2024 20:33

baklavagoddess · 07/10/2024 19:01

Weight loss jabs are not for everyone, they do come with side effects and they are very expensive if you don't fit the NHS criteria, also people's weight is no one else's business and if they choose not to tell others that's down to them

Obesity comes with life limiting side effects and the risk of premature death due to heart disease and stroke..

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WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:33

MurdoMunro · 07/10/2024 20:10

Woah. That’s over the line Wandafishy.

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She suggested it, maybe she shouldn't have

soupfiend · 07/10/2024 20:35

ItsAlrightDarling · 07/10/2024 20:26

I also don’t understand the ‘you’ll just regain all the weight when you stop’ argument. The majority of people who lose weight by any dieting method regain the weight. Does that mean we should all just stop bothering to try? I guess that’s the ideal really, because then they can continue to judge us for being fat.

Yes, no weight loss method results in a foolproof outcome that 100% of people will maintain that loss, even surgery

But surgery and injections have a much lower regain rate than other methods,lifestyle methods if you will (although I dont like that phrase)

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 07/10/2024 20:35

WandaFishy99 · 07/10/2024 20:31

Then why do you ask if it should be taken off the shelves?

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I don't!

EasternStandard · 07/10/2024 20:37

doodleschnoodle · 07/10/2024 20:33

Personally I think these drugs will end up being one of the greatest medical discoveries this century. Being able to cure obesity in patients who have struggled with it their entire lives alongside all the other things that scientists are finding GLP-1 agonists can help with: fatty liver disease, brain disorders such as Parkinson's, heart attack and stroke in healthy BMI patients. They will become commonplace like statins I would think in the next decade, especially when the patents start to expire and they are produced more cheaply and extensively.

Yes I think so

LolleePop · 07/10/2024 20:37

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 07/10/2024 19:07

Because some people think it's utterly ludicrous to be pumping crap into your veins in order to lose weight. And no-one knows the long term effects of weight loss jans .. I foresee a catastrophic fallout in a few years from them.

Also, SOME people eat less and get more exercise to lose weight. I know, imagine that.

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Here's your answer OP!

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AboutVattime · 07/10/2024 20:37

doodleygirl · 07/10/2024 19:04

Not trying to be goady but if you are exercising and healthy eating why do you need injections?

Because despite the gym 5 x a week for an hour a day minimum.. and 15 years of weight watchers slumming world etc .. I simply ate too much .. now I stop when full .. have always cooked from scratch as live cooking .. but portion control was not happening.

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itwasnevermine · 07/10/2024 20:37

@LolleePop but it's not crap and it's also not injected into your veins.

ChangeHasCome · 07/10/2024 20:39

MurdoMunro · 07/10/2024 20:28

That’s a great analogy. Very helpful to my understanding. My husband struggles with anxiety, if he stops the sertraline things can get gnarly, the anxiety overwhelms him. If he sticks with the setraline he says he is able to access the CBT and talking therapy strategies. The drugs don’t cure but they set him down on the tracks. It seems possible that these weight loss treatments might work in a similar way, for some people maybe?

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Yes I agree. Same here by the way.

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AboutVattime · 07/10/2024 20:39

UncharteredWaters · 07/10/2024 19:04

Because they are not without risk or serious side effects including life threatening pancreatitis.

Have you actually looked at the percentage chance of pancreatitis on Mounjaro vs percentage chance of early death due to the co morbidities of obesity. ??

If you did then you wouldn't spout such complete nonsense.

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AmberAlert86 · 07/10/2024 20:40

Question for anyone that tried:
Did other methods not work? Are the jabs really worth it? Did you loose all appetite due to jabs?
I looked it up (I'm now officially obese), but cost puts me off. Also the write up said I could loose 1-2 pounds per week. Previously I lost that and more just by eating very sensibly. But this time I'm struggling not to snack.
Also I'm time poor (kids, FT job, family commitments) and can't imagine how I could fit in exercise

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AboutVattime · 07/10/2024 20:40

ChangeHasCome · 07/10/2024 19:05

Why? You'll see in a minute on this thread.

To spell it out, it's because of the judgemental and "concerned" people who would not hesitate to tell you what they think of your "easy way out" of obesity. Who needs that when you have better things to do, like finally getting your weight under control?

Yes .. I do get that

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