Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

@BlackShuck3

No 🤣

You understand that it is still hard work to lose the weight even with the injections, yes? They are simply a tool, you still have to make an effort to eat healthily! Have you any idea how hard that is for someone with the disease of obesity? Our coping mechanism is eating, and that is taken away. Nothing prepared me for that when I started Wegovy!

@BlackShuck3 personally for me no. My food shop is still £30-£40 a week but it's much healthier food. Lots of protein which is expensive!!

Why do people always assume everyone overweight is eating junk? It's a tiresome stereotype. It also means ignoring how we might address the reasons people are putting on weight that aren't related to eating lots of highly processed unhealthy food.

I wonder if the amount of money that you save (from not eating the food that formerly made you obese) is similar to the amount of money spent on the weight loss injections?
If so then yhere will surely be some people who weigh it up like this-
'I'll have a few months enjoying all the lovely food and then for the next few months I'll spend the same money on weight loss injections and lose all the weight'
No?

What you fail to understand is

• people don't actually like being in a cycle of overeating, it feels shit
• people are not on MJ just to get thin, but to get healthy - bingeing and then restricting is not at all healthy
• you still eat "lovely food" on MJ

Yes!!!

For me the crisps and shit I would eat before wasn't lovely.

The proper, home cooked meals I have now are lovely.

No 🤣
I have read 1000s of posts about Mounjaro in order to make myself as informed as possible. The overwhelming response from people when they start is an incredible relief to function normally, to not feel the urge to eat anymore, to not have to fight all day to not eat, to finally enjoy food as fuel, to feel satiated. People cry with relief to feel free from food, detached from it. There will, I am absolutely sure, be maintenance doses available to everyone who suffers from this hormonal and neurological imbalance once they reach a healthy weight. As there should be, much like there are long term depression meds, long term HRT and long term cardio therapies. It will be significantly cheaper than treating the secondary diseases that arise from the disease that is obesity. The anti inflammatory benefit from Mounjaro has lowered my blood pressure 105/68 -and I no longer need my asthma medication.
Interestingly I became very active at the beginning of this year - average 70 zone minutes a day with my Fitbit. Lost 1 single pound in 5 months. Put 3 on during a 1 week holiday (no deserts, no cocktails). My 1500 calorie diet, exercising every day - would have taken me about 15 years to get to a healthy weight 🤣
Mounjaro for 8 weeks and I’m down 18lbs, with the same exercise and 300 calories less. The 300 calories should have equated to an extra loss from before of 4 lbs in 8 weeks. But this drug alters the way you metabolise calories. There are hundreds of studies to back this up. I linked one of them upthread.
The great news is - all us former fatties have had to be funny and interesting and good people because we couldn’t rely on our looks for attention. Imagine how invincible we are going to be in the future ❤️

People have this weird idea that it's super easy when you get on the jags and you just stick yourself, eat a bit less for a few months and it all comes off. It's not that easy and it isn't good for your body to repeatedly yo yo. There's no fucking way I'd come off them, decide to eat a whole load of crap - deliberately - go up to my previous highest (and unhealthy) weight, risk going back into prediabetes, and then put myself through all of this again.

My food bill isn't that much lower as I am buying more fresh veg, fruit, quality protein. Less cheap starchy food. I recognise the privilege in being able to do that and afford the jags.

Also, it is not food that makes you obese. It's a combination of genetic, environment and physiological/biological factors that determine how you respond to food, the reward you get from food, how palatable (or not) certain foods are to you.

I hope there are ongoing studies on these jabs - and that in another 5-10 years time they will show that people who lost weight using them have kept it off 🤞 THEN they will be the miracle we are all hoping for (including myself) and I will happily shout about them from the rooftops.

Unfortunately my worry is that won’t happen as they aren’t given alongside mandatory counselling - as my personal belief is that there are usually psychological reasons people become obese (I include myself in that).

Without tackling the underlying reason for the weight gain in the first place, then I don’t see how any jab or pill can help in the long term. Anyone can make short term lifestyle changes (with or without help of drugs, although I am sure the drugs make it easier) - but its keeping the weight off that that’s the issue as every recurring “dieter” like me knows 😢. It’s so easy to eventually fall back into old habits, if the reason for that habit hasn’t been tackled.

@Tangfastic71 Plus, and I appreciate that this is only one person’s experience, hasn’t Sharon Osbourne said that since losing weight with Ozempic, she now CAN’T seem to gain weight?

Again, this is purely anecdotal, but it sounds as if for her, a weight loss drug has caused permanent changes in her eating habits, I.e., she can’t revert to overeating now as her body won’t tolerate it.

With Sharon Osborne could it be partly an age-related thing?
I say this because I find it much easier to control my food intake now in my late 50s than I did when I was younger, the drive to eat is just not as strong 🤷🏻‍♀️

@BlackShuck3 Who knows. This article suggests that she’d like to gain back a couple of pounds, but can’t. She may be atypical, but if her experience is typical, it debunks the idea that someone might revert to overeating after using a weight loss drug.

www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a46408636/sharon-osbourne-weight-loss/

It’s definitely atypical. Could be her age but the leading Professor at Yale - where they are studying this vigorously, suggests you can’t reverse the neuro and biology that obese patients have..and is advocating for long term smaller maintenance doses. She has a long video explaining the science (I’ve linked below) showing the brain response differences in those with a propensity for obesity vs those without. It is fascinating.

medicine.yale.edu/media-player/gr-11-3-23/

Sorry should have said the video gets interesting from 12 minutes for all the calories in calories out naysayers

There's a huge amount of work going on around these jabs, particularly as they seem to be alleviating other symptoms and potentially therapeutic for other conditions. Do have a good look online as there are some fascinating articles.

In 5-10 years time I suspect we'll be in a very different place. We're not that far off pills designed to be taken for life. The period we're in now will be relatively brief in medical terms.

@Tangfastic71 Yes, I suppose that everyone will have a different response to the jabs depending on their age and perhaps also on the underlying causes of their weight gain (genetic, hormonal, etc.).

In what way am I judging?

Just because someone doesn't wholeheartedly feel comfortable with something, doesn't mean they're judging people who do it.

Not really going we too far into conspiracy land. I was thinking along the same lines as how intensive agri farming relies so much on pesticides and herbicides, how ‘round-up’ resistant genetic engineering came into support that further and we’re grappling with the huge ecosystem services costs. Unintended consequences driven by market economics. I don’t think that Mr Pharma and Mr Food are sitting on armchairs with their monacles on doing some grand plan while idly playing around with their hurricane machines.

But as I said. Now that I understand a bit more about how these treatments work to potentially create sustainable longer term strategies beyond their immediate effect that thought seems less relevant.

Oh I love this post 👏👏👏👏

Ok then 😂 she is my step sister but we're very close so I see her as my sister and often refer to her as such

I'm in the process after having a c section a few weeks ago, since my section I've lost 5kg in about 3 weeks, in addition to the 10kg I lost just with having the baby out. So yeah, it is working actually and I won't be a fatty for much longer.

YOu need to develop some internal confidence and validation. If your only validation is being seen as competition for other slim or pretty women and you compare yourself to them and want to 'beat' them, then Im afraid you are destined to have disappointment in your life.

It shouldnt matter a jot if someone is slimmer or prettier than you, but it clearly does and thats a shame for you and so you're angry about someone losing weight.

You may have willpower and discipline but you also have a very fragile ego.

Cheating who or what?

I made the decision a few days ago that I’m going to start them in the new year. And when people ask I’ll tell them the truth. I need the help, I have no control whatsoever. And I’m not ashamed in the slightest! I can’t stand these people that say eat less and move more. Like we don’t know that! I have such disordered eating habits stemming from childhood trauma. I am addicted to unhealthy eating. Yes it’s a thing millions of people go through.

Love this so very much! From a current fatty to a former fatty!