Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

"Cheating" implies that there's competition. It's interesting to see that some women actually see themselves as being in competition with other women in regards to how they look (Also see the pp who talked about it being 'not fair' when obese people use MJ and it makes the naturally slim ones or those who lost through sheer grunt and restriction seem more 'ordinary' or plain to others, and the newly slim people get all the praise - I'm paraphrasing as i can't remember everything but this is the gist of it).

Interesting. Any other time, if you say that some women are in competition with other women to gain approval and praise from the world, you'd be shot down and told you're delusional...but here they are saying "Not fair!" and "You're cheating!" like we are in a competitive race. Like we are in primary school!

How can someone be cheating (against whom?) when all they're trying to do is lose weight for their own health? You being friends with vain people and seeing them do vain things (which tells me you're the same but maybe not in the area of weightloss, otherwise you wouldn't be friends with them so start judging yourself too?) doesn't mean others do the same.

I think it's cheating.

Same question for you - who is being cheated out of what?

Excellent crossposts with @silenceinside and
@Seaitoverthere

Funny line from the post below ours. Nice coincidence

I think this is really sad. The fact I and others have lost weight and have a BMI under 25 bears no relation to your weight. It’s not a zero sum game. Thank you for your honesty as this is what I suspected was the crux of the issue and anger towards us. Those who can’t access it are annoyed that they have to work harder to keep the weight from piling on. But it’s not true.

Newsflash! Those of us who have lost the weight have to work bloody hard to maintain it off too. Using willpower and healthy eating/ exercise habits as everyone does. It just helps to have lost all the weight in the first place so more likely to succeed. Maintenance at any weight takes a level of mindfulness and commitment. Especially for those of us with PCOS.

If I had to do 10 hours exercise a week to control my weight, I’d be looking at my diet and eating fewer calories cause I know I can’t outrun a too high calorie diet. That’s an awful lot of intensive exercise to do - I wouldn’t be able to fit that into my day. I use a TDEE calculator and MFP to log food.

berksandbeyond

I don’t hate fat people, I have been a fat person! Some people might still consider me a fat person.

I am not surprised to learn you are fat. In fact I expected it. Fat people who want to be thin appear to have the most negative responses to this medication.

Why’s that @savannahowl ? ‘Cheating’ is an interesting word to choose, I get the logic of”behind people saying there are alternative or even better ways to lose weight. But in what way is it ‘cheating’?

Same question for you - who is being cheated out of what?

Devalues everyone else's hard work on diet and exercise.

Just like I think taking steroids is cheating.

This is a strange way to view it imo

I don’t use it but I can see how helpful it is

But there is no value attributed to working out and losing weight. There's no positive or negative value.

Unless you're admitting you assign moral value to people based on their weight?

How does it devalue it? In my case, no one knows how I'm losing weight, how could that possibly be devaluing anyone else's health?

When you say "taking steroids" presumably you mean people taking it to build muscle, not people taking steroids for allergies? Do you mean athletes that compete, or just body building in a gym? And do you mean people who take steroids but publicly claim their physique is down to exercise alone?

You still have to diet end exercise on MJ

it also doesn’t give you a competitive advantage against other people

ChangeHasCome

"Cheating" implies that there's competition. It's interesting to see that some women actually see themselves as being in competition with other women"

It reminds me a bit of the childbirth 'competition' where women who have caesareans or pain relief didn't do 'childbirth' properly! Some women just want to tear others down, usually because of low self esteem and to make themselves feel better. As evidenced so clearly on this thread.

“cheating” 😂yeah because the fat I lose somehow gets transferred to you? Who exactly is being cheated? Me taking a drug isn’t making anyone else fatter.
I mean, I cheated my way to having no headache the other day. Cheated my way to only having two children. Cheated my way to having a live child. Cheated my way out of a grim chest infection. I suppose you consider vaccination as cheating as well?

Only if you're keeping score which obviously you and others are.

Using steroids is only cheating in competition. No one cares about those gym bros who use it irl if they aren't competing. You and others are in unnecessary competition with other women irl or are we in a game we didn't know about?

Devalues everyone else's hard work on diet and exercise.

And there we have it. Finally the bare naked truth is out.

They don't want fatties to have help because they then people won't be able to tell they are super disciplined and wonderful to do all the "hard work" themselves.

THAT'S what this is about.

Yes true. That's the other competition. So many...another one is breastfeeding competition and how long you did it for/if you did it. Ridiculous.

My husband takes steroids for arthritis. Is he cheating? I got an epidural for my latest childbirth, did I cheat? My daughter just got the flu vaccine, did she cheat?

What a pile of nonsense. Can you actually read what you wrote and tell me you aren't embarrassed by it?

This has been a fascinating thread to bring out some really unfortunate and unpleasant opinions.

Yes this! I suspected this was the issue and I’m pleased to see the honest responses here confirming it.

Like I said in a previous post, some women have been conditioned by society into believing that being slender and attractive carries social currency. They DO see themselves as in competition with other women and feel threatened by the existence of a drug which helps obese women to drop significant amount of weight and “overtake” them in the attractiveness stakes.

Now that I’m slim I do feel more confident in clothes but I don’t feel better than others who are now larger than me. I still follow mid and plus size influencers still and appreciate how amazing and beautiful they look. I often think the bigger models on “side by side” reels look better than the slimmer one. I have not been conditioned to value someone slimmer higher (perhaps that is why I became obese?) and so I don’t know how this feels so it’s enlightening to see people admitting they feel annoyed and threatened.

And there we have it. Finally the bare naked truth is out.
They don't want fatties to have help because they then people won't be able to tell they are super disciplined and wonderful to do all the "hard work" themselves.
THAT'S what this is about.

and the delicious thing about this is…we’ll have the last laugh won’t we!

We’ll change our lives and lose weight and be happy. And these people will drown in their cesspool of anger and resentment on anonymous forums! No wonder they’re apoplectic 😁

Very true.

All this angst is actually fuelling my desire to lose weight on MJ 🤣

Do it! It’s amazing

This thread has been such an eye opener.

Same reason I don’t tell people I take testosterone…because of ignorance about female hormone changes in menopause and hormonal and neurological discrepancies in my body vs a naturally slim persons.
Is it cheating to take HRT? HRT puts my body into the same state as a non menopausal woman. GLP-1s do the same - make my body work like your body. Why is it cheating to fix a hormonal discrepancy when it leads to obesity but not for menopause. Interesting one to think about