Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

Those of the judgey twats

Please read why we eat too much before saying it's Cals in Cals out. It isn't. It's
Much more complicated that that. Insulin resistance is real and the body will hang on to EVERY once of fat it can to avoid famine when leptin levels are buggered.

Our modern diet and food suppliers keep us fat.

It's criminal. Read it and then tell us it's our fault.

I'd be trying to help her work out the root cause of the problem. Not judging her for it.

I think this is a really important and neglected factor - why people eat the way they eat. How many times has there been in a scene in a shite rom com where the heroine eats her way through heartache with a tub of ice cream?!

For a lot (I'd say most) of people eating isn't just functional, it plays a huge part in celebrations and enjoyment, but for some there are other psycological factors at play.

I wish anyone well who's trying to lose weight and become healthier, whatever their method. I do think that as much attention needs to be paid to the psychological causes for their eating disorder though.

You've prob stopped reading all the comments. But I think they are a total game changer for many people. Think of all the surgeries prevented, hips and knees and heart disease and diabetes etc and the unhappiness. I agree with you! I haven't used them and don't need to lose weight (at the mo) but I love to read the positive stories of people making changes and enjoying their lives. So shout away!
(Less interested in already healthy weight/skinny celebrities using them to use weight).

Eat less….exercise more… it’s as easy as that!

If it were that easy though, there would be no overweight people!

While I don't disagree that's buggered peoples bodies up, people are still responsible for what they put in their mouth. Not taking accountability for that amd just pointong the finger is not going to help you.

I don't blame people for not disclosing their use of these products.
The reasons that people eat more food than is good for them are so widely misunderstood that a negative response is very likely- who's got the time and energy to try and explain things properly to everyone🤷🏻‍♀️

@AmberAlert86 I’m on Ozempic and losing 1-2 pounds a week. But if I wanted my provider would increase it, although she recommends staying at this dose as it is working. In my 20s I could lose 1-3 pounds a week with diet and exercise but now I can’t. Also I’ve never had the kind of STEADY loss I have now, and not the improvements in pain or periods or mood. Even reduction in caffeine. I have an appetite but then I get full.

I have young kids and not enough sleep and now I’m not using snacks to cope. Part of my intake was discussing previous diets and planning a healthy diet- which I was already trying to follow but no it wasn’t working.

A talk I saw about it said to only do the injections if you’re already doing everything else

@AmICrazyToEvenBother

Actually. No they are not responsible

Read up on refined vegetable oils and how they fuck up your brain and bloods.
Try buying ANYTHING without vegetable oils and you will see why we are having issues.

Unless you completely cook from scratch and use grass fed meats you simply can't get away from them. Unaffordable for most time pressed families

"However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads on here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???"

I think it's only the people who don't meet the NHS criteria for it and haven't had it prescribed by their GP who don't want to admit they're using it because there's a world-wide shortage of Semaglutide and they don't want to admit they're paying to get it and depriving people who really need it of getting it i.e. diabetics.

I’ve been wondering this looking at Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver. They are suddenly both take thin after years of being - not at all fat - but normal sized and obviously wanting to be thinner. I find it so odd that they don’t address on their ‘no holds barred’ podcast the very obvious fact they are both either on weight loss jabs or have had some sort of cosmetic bariatric surgery…it’s just weirdly dishonest to pretend that kind of body change can happen with lifestyle tweaks alone.

Tell me you know fuck all about obesity and the mechanisms behind it without telling me 🙄

It's a compulsion and like an addiction. Blaming the individual rather than the wider industry and root causes serves NO ONE.

Silly Dave the alcoholic, coping with his trauma and the miswiring of his brain and damaged dopamine receptors, living within easy reach of all those supermarket shelves, pubs and offys. If only he'd taken accountability... <-- when you say it like that you'd sound a bit of a twat, wouldn't you?

You're right. There is no 'right' answer here, though, only personal opinions. I 'personally' think of them like steroids, or as I said, like a cheat code. You can play a game, plug on a code and get all the gold, mana, XP, whatever, and win the game in five seconds. To me, it feels cheap.

My partner is the opposite. We'll watch a move, and they'll have already read on IMDB everything about it, without much bother for the 'journey'.

At the end of the day, if your goal is weight loss and you don't care how you get there, then this works for you. It wouldn't for me.

My mum is slim and I’ve always been bigger and as an adult significantly overweight.

She used to harangue me about eating less. And constantly had 1-2-1s about looking after myself.

Then I moved in with her for a few months and one day she said to me, ‘you really eat very normally don’t you.’ Since then her whole attitude changed, because I am not ‘gluttonous’ or ‘lazy’, I have pretty much the same habits as my normal sized friends. Yet I am 4 stone overweight.

Started Mounjaro and I am already dropping significant weight. Clearly my hormones/ insulin/ blood sugar was screwed all this time. 25 years of feeling ashamed for no reason. I hope these jabs change life for future mes and no-one needs to suffer society’s judgement over what is a disease.

Isn’t type 2 diabetes mainly lifestyle related? Not all cases but quite a few? Maybe the people taking them are prediabetic and don’t want to end up with diabetes! No one’s taking medication from anyone 🙄

And no, thats total bollocks. The NHS supply chain from the manufacturer is protected for diabetics and totally separate to the private sector in the UK.

There is no global shortage, just poor supply chain management in America.

To all of those who have judged, I'd like you to try something tomorrow.

With your morning alarm, label it "think about all the food you ate yesterday, and how bad that was", no matter if you had a "good" or "bad" day.

After about five minutes of that, you can get out of bed and go downstairs and make your favourite coffee. But wait, you were naughty yesterday so you have the red milk and ignore what you want, and you take something pitiful like a handful of strawberries for breakfast.

But you feel shamed for eating them because there's no way fat people like fruit, right? So then you feel the nagging shame and guilt all morning, you're starving because you've had next to nothing to eat, but you can't eat more yet because you've got to be good today!!!

It gets to lunch and you're ravenous, so you eat your wrap (only 350 calories mind!! We have to be careful), and you're still hungry, so you go for a walk to stop yourself feeling like that. But when you get back you're still starving so you have a coffee, but they only have green milk not red, so you feel guilty for that choice.

"May as well lump a sugar in there".

And oh, there's treats because it's someone's birthday and "well, a skinny person can have a treat every now and again", but one treat turns to two because you're restricting yourself and that leads into the binge-restrict cycle.

So you go on your calorie counting app and see you've suddenly jumped from 500 calories to 1000, so you're obviously a failure! You were meant to be good and you've fucked it up! And there's no way you're having dinner for 200 calories, so have another treat, go on, be nice to yourself.

Then you get home and have dinner and you feel so ashamed, so sickened and disgusted you can't bear the thought of going to the gym or out for a walk because you're disgusting, you're horrid and vile and this is why you're fat because why can't you just be normal?

So you get in bed, and tomorrow will be a good day.

But it never is. Because you're constantly surrounded by horrible thoughts and thinking, you can't stop thinking about food and there's always room for a sweet treat, and everyone thinks you're disgusting anyway so you may as well lean into that.

if needed, set alarms to think about food every five minutes

That's why it's not as simple as just eating less and moving more. Society has conditioned us to hate our very beings, and to associate our eating habits with whether we're good or bad people. It's never that easy.

Scary when people post here thinking they are armed with facts when it’s just really uneducated BS 🤐

A tad nasty.

Sounds like you are hoping for a 'catastrophic fallout'. Bizarre.

Also, I was open about it but after reading some of these disgusting responses I’ll think twice now

Supported her for years, but she continues to eat shit and throw it back in our faces, yes this is a very narrow and biased view but this is the only experience I have of it.

I'm not sure why you think that, all I've said are my legitimate concerns for people buying from unregulated suppliers, yes I'm unsupportive of those doing it for vanity because they're lazy, but for people with injuries or legitimately too big too exercise who's health is on the line then I can see why the risks are outweighed by the pros.

I'd wager that most of the people finding me mean by essentially saying people like my sister are fat because they're lazy and eat shit and have got themselves to that size purely of their own doing are potentially triggered because that has hit a nerve.

It's like something out of Wall-E, eating so much you get obese and lecturing others on how it's actually genetic, and then using a jab to stop yourself from eating 😂Peak first world problems, the world is being destroyed to farm on and animals are slaughtered every day for people who eat far more than they need but they convince themselves THEY'RE the victim because people side eye them for being fat, and side eye them for needing an injection to stop being fat.

Perfectly put

No, we feel sorry for your sister because her own sibling is such an ignorant twit she can't see that her own family member has spiralled from some main trigger event years ago, and there really isn't any way back for her without extreme intervention. Intervention that should be supported.

Given your responses, I imagine you're some part of the root cause in her youth.

I started over eating because I was sexually assaulted when I was a CHILD! In school, and the only place the boy who did it would leave me alone was the canteen.

But I'm a bad fat person so I must suffer!

Tresales and flopsy,

Unless you believe you're perfect (I won't be surprised), I'm sure there are many things in your lives that other people can side eye you for doing and side eye you for finding a way to stop doing it. I hope it would feel awesome to be side-eyed either way.

Talking about lecturing others...The irony.