Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

Notably there is no shortage of Mounjaro for diabetes patients in the UK.

No one is stealing medication from those who really need it. If, I suppose, you're saying that obese people don't "really need it".

If I had a. BMI of 30 or even 35 I doubt I’d be taking them either.

My BMI was over 50 before MJ

its 45 now so still a long way to go but hopefully a lot less until I’m below 40 and no longer morbidly obese

i anticipate by before Christmas i will be the (still large) weight I was before I gave birth 16 years ago

Nothing else has facilitated me losing weight successfully until this

Morbid obesity is miserable and all consuming and the shame and judgment makes it worse. And most of us shame and judge ourselves most of all

I had food chatter and physical hunger pains absolutely constantly. I can just describe it as my body screaming at it to eat

Mounjaro acts on hormones and suppresses appetite and also removes the “hit” from food. Once you no longer get a hit from eating it makes it easier to make healthier choices without your body screaming at you

A lot of people don’t get this. Even my mum who is herself obese, despite my whole life being on a diet. I explain it to her and in the next sentence she’s talking about some “big fat woman” she knows who just needs to “cut down”

no wonder I ended up so fucked up hey

What an odd comment.

No exactly my point, how many not very bright people might actually die buying it from some random website.

@Flopsy145 that's called personal responsibility.

I suppose my points about aspirin, viagra and various antidepressants used for different things just don't meet your standards?

Why should the fact that some people buy it illegally mean that people who meet the criteria shouldn’t be able to buy it from a registered pharmacy through a private prescription?

It doesn't affect me, but I was giving my honest opinion on an open thread. I don't lie awake worrying about this issue as I won't be taking injections so have no need to worry about it. I do worry for my sister, I don't know the website she got them from but hope her and her mum did due diligence

It was sarcastic obviously - fat people are lazy but anorexics have an eating disorder and deserve empathy and treatment. The double standard is tiresome.

I think people use exercise and healthy eating as a kind of virtue signalling, as if doing these things means that you’re somehow a better person. Saying you just lost it through jabs means you don’t get the same credit for “working hard” to lose the weight because you took the “easy route”.

I think people who use the jabs or have weight loss surgery probably do the exercise and healthy eating too, neither the jabs/surgery cause you to suddenly lose weight without a calorie deficit and generally speaking people who lose a lot of weight tend to increase their exercise levels naturally because its a lot easier to move around
What is important is that people who have struggled with their weight for whatever reasons, are able to get to the point where their weight isn't causing them unnecessary health issues, and really why would anybody care how they achieve that ?

Darwin awards? Where the not very clever people do really stupid stuff and remove themselves from the gene pool? To be applauded in my opinion.

@Flopsy145 no comment re. the other medications being used for other purposes?

Your poor sister

You’re sure all these places selling it illegally are sending out the exact same product? Online sellers aren’t exactly stringently regulated.

Tbh I do think it's a cheat

If weightloss aid like medication is a "cheat", then:

Washing machine instead of washing with your hands is a cheat.
Car instead of walking everywhere is a cheat.
Microwave instead of warming up your food the old fashioned way is a cheat.
Electric kettles...
Phones...
Paracetamol for headaches, period pains, dental pain, etc instead of sleeping it off or walking it off like our foremothers used to do...
Water heaters...
Epidural anyone?
Flu vaccine...
Etc

All these things are things we don't actually need but you're happy to use these 'cheats'. God forbid obese people find a "cheat" to help them lose weight - losing weight is supposed to be the bone of contention but obviously it isn't. If it was, people would be happy for them.

Congratulations OP. Seriously, are the side effects awful?

No, I have no idea what the places selling it illegally are sending out. That’s why the people buying it from those places are stupid. Again, why should that stop people from being able to purchase it legally from a registered, reputable pharmacy? I’m pretty sure Boots aren’t sending out dodgy black market stuff.

@Flopsy145 the people you know taking it are irresponsibly seeking drugs that they are not entitled to. That's incredibly different to, again, the vast majority of people taking them through an approved pharmacy.

You must know a lot of idiots.

@TypingoftheDead but it's two separate issues.

Yes people shouldn't buy it illegally. But they do and it doesn't mean those of us doing it legitimately shouldn't be able to get it?

Ive never heard a lot of outrage about nicotine patches, methadone etc

I see the same! I work really hard to have a healthy life and to make sure my kids understand about exercise sugar whole vs upfoods etc. And I walk the walk most of the time. Unfortunately I wasn’t given those tools in time although my parents tried (brown v processed bread, subway over McDonalds).

I couldn’t beat the food addictions or reverse the weight and hormone issues. I am on ozempic and it means what I was attempting before I am now succeeding at. My doctor seems hopeful I’ll be able to maintain off the medication.

It varies massively. I’ve had hardly any. Bit of nausea.

Some people stop because it’s terrible. It just depends I think.

Those things you mention are not done for vanity reasons, many people taking these jabs are doing it for vanity. But lifts in turkey instead of squats and deadlifts is an example that's closer to the mark, potentially dangerous and unregulated for vanity reasons.

Quite

Semaglutide works by stopping food cravings, meaning that you don't want to eat crap. It's currently being investigated as a treatment for binge eating disorder and bulimia nervosa, both of which have profound adverse health effects and the second of which can kill.

BED is very treatment resistant and current pharmacological treatments are large doses of SSRIs, an anti-epileptic with rafts of side-effects called topiramate, or lisdexamphetamine, otherwise known as the street drug called speed. Semaglutide shows great promise for BED and has far fewer side-effects than the alternatives.

BED goes beyond simple overeating. When I get binge cravings, it's like a demon has taken over the steering wheel and is driving my body like a robot. It's terrifying and I feel completely out of control. If I've had no food in the house, I've gone out no matter the time of day or night to find food and I've eaten toilet paper and blackboard chalk to try to quell the cravings.

Why would you be a judgy twat about medication that could take that utter nightmare away from someone, with far fewer side-effects than the alternatives?

@Flopsy145 and those of us doing it for health reasons?

Thalidomide was a miracle cure to some things too, just saying.
You still have to eat less, the drugs just make that easier. I’d rather work hard than risk it.