Why are we not being vocal about the miracle of weight loss jabs. ?

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I started Mountjaro in April at 15 stone 10
I am now 11 stone . Which is my goal weight for my 5'10 frame. I have maintained that for 2 months having started regular exercise that I really enjoy - as well as ZOE healthy eating /cooking which I enjoy equally.

When people say to me 'Wow ! You look amazing (I'm not daft - they mean you don't look fat anymore) .. how have you done it . I am truthful and say 'fat jabs' .. and expand if they don't understand.

However , I have noticed on all the gazillion threads in here about weight loss injections, people are reticent to be honest . .. "my DH knows but haven't told anyone else " .. is a common remark . But WHY ???

Obesity is a life threatening condition. Like Dementia , cancer , liver failure etc etc .. if anyone had one of those conditions and found a drug to help , would they keep quiet or shout it from the bloody roof tops . ?

Or is the old adage true . Fat is a feminist (female) issue ? and we need to pretend it isn't ?

Honestly if the women on this thread can carry it on and maintain the healthy habits in the long run then great, that's truly a great outcome. But I just think they will be the minority. You don't learn healthy habits overnight, it's a long process which does take will power.
It is my personal bias to not want any unnecessary chemicals in my body, same reason why I wouldn't get silicone breast implants, lip fillers etc. Would never obviously voice this to people who do this but when asked for an anonymous opinion I'll be honest.

Well thats probably what the poster meant also, I mean the horror of looking older!!! God forbid!

And Im surprised no one has mentioned loose skin, is no one going to mention loose skin. Its the worst thing in the world.

I don't think those who're taking the medication or in support of those taking the medication are the angry and self-righteous ones. There's a lot of projection going on in this thread.

BECAUSE FAT PEOPLE ARE DEFICIENT AND LACK ANY MORALS AND DESERVE TO SUFFER

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Yes a lot of the issues with weight loss jabs are just issues with weight loss in general. When we get older, if we lose weight then our faces can look older because fat fills them out (including the wrinkles!). Same with loose skin, etc. Those are just side effects of weight loss generally when someone has been obese. But if it's via jab or another unapproved method they are gaunt, if they've done it through diet and exercise alone they will glow

I always find it amazing how people think that their own experience is everyone else’s experience.

As if anyone being obese has an eating disorder.

Im sure if that was the case we’d know about that tbh.

@Flopsy145 but you're on the injections for a prolonged period of time to help learn healthy habits.

Do you take paracetamol when you have a headache? Ibuprofen for period pains? Antibiotics for an infection? If you've had children did you use gas and air, an epidural, painkillers? All of those are chemicals.

Luckily I have a very round face, even when I was a size 6, so I think I'll be fine. A big baw face, my mum once said when there was an unflattering photo taken of me

Obesity is a trap that keeps far too many people stuck in a condition that's very bad for their physical and mental health. Lifestyle seems to contribute to causing obesity for many, but beyond a certain point changing lifestyle seems almost always ineffective in curing it, so I am glad people can get out of that trap with this medication.

What bothers me is that companies flog us food that is designed to make us eat more, then other companies sell us diet books and products that falsely promise to cure the effects of that. And now they're flogging drugs that people need to take for very long periods, which is every drug company's dream. Every turn seems to make some company a profit and I really hope the availability of these drugs doesn't dilute efforts to stop so many people getting into this predicament in the first place.

So yes, I want people who need this medication to get it. But I also wish we weren't living in an obesogenic environment where so many people need it.

I admit to being one of the judgy fuckers who deride the fat unhealthy blobbies. But that doesn't stop me from understanding that some people reach their nadir after ill health, injury or trauma beyond their power to control.

The various weight loss drugs appear to help with regulating appetite, and sure there are side effects for some. You decide whether the results are worth it, for you.... surely?

@Flopsy145 you're missing the point - the vast majority of people who take these injections do not do so simply because they "WANT to be slimmer" - they do so because they have serious health complications due to their current weight. If you're obese it's not simply vanity that makes you want to lose weight (or at least it shouldn't be). Also here we go again - "cheating" the system - are you one of those women who thinks you shouldn't get an epidural for childbirth as that's cheating? The drugs are there, the benefits outweigh the risks for MANY people, you'd be foolish to discount them simply because you want to do it "the hard way" (which is also a nonsense concept anyway).

To be honest I’ve always felt that anorexics are just attention seeking and vain. And bulimics are really wasteful. Why can’t they just learn healthy habits?

The medication I took to have two c sections were life preserving. The others you mentioned are actually medications taken for the reason they were made. So many people who take these, including my sister, are getting them after a quick online form and delivered in the post, and there's many, probably unregulated and unchecked, websites selling this stuff. Honestly it could be absolutely anything in those injections and no one would know. I worry someone is going to die one day taking a drug that they've bought from some random person online that turns out to be poison.

When I buy paracetamol from the shop, I trust that it's actually paracetamol.

Unfortunately my weight loss has coincided with peri menopause and my face has slid off itself!!!

Yes that could happen, and there is a huge issue with people selling it on the ‘black market’, so to speak. I bought mine from a registered, reputable pharmacy, as everyone should.

I don't like to wish ill on people but...

I hope all the judgmental whines on this thread suffer a minor inconvenience tomorrow. Missing a bus, sleeping through an alarm, stubbing their toe on the bed frame - any of these will do 🙃

@Flopsy145 all of those are down to the person ordering them.

If they choose to buy them off a dodgy website instead of from a registered pharmacy, that's on them.

As others have said, other medications are used for many things. Aspirin as a blood thinner. Viagra was first used as a heart medicine. My dad is on an anti depressant for sleep, another on an anti depressant for pain relief.

These medications started out being tested for a single thing and then they were found to treat other things. The same thing happened for GLP-1s. They were first developed for diabetes and then it was found they have other, amazing, effects.

Mounjaro is life preserving and could well prove to be life extending.

If someone chooses to put something dodgy in their body, that's on them. Why does that affect you in any way? It doesn't.

Ths people I know who have taken it have bought it online and for vanity reasons, they weren't big enough to qualify for it at the drs. A lot of people want a quick fix.
No that is not my view on an epidural because pain relief for child birth is not done for vanity.

Tbh the people who are so big they can barely move getting this prescribed by the Dr, when it's regulated and checked, I'm on board with. But I think they also need nutritionist and exercise support to continue to stay healthy after jabs have stopped

Also @Flopsy145, penicillin, one of the most widely used antibiotics was discovered by accident! That's how many medical breakthroughs are made. Accidents and experiments.

What's the science?

I used to be like alot of people on this thread and judge overweight/obese people. Most of my life I've been a healthy weight and just went on a diet if I wanted to lose. I did once just inch into being overweight and lost 2 stone easily. But then I got to menopause put on weight and just could not lose it, I think your metabolism slows down - I would eat 800 calories a day and lose 1lb a week. I couldn't sustain weight loss, think hormonal as well. So now I am more understanding, I think genetics plays a big part too as know people in their fifties who can eat anything and are still whippet thin and their parents were the same. I've also read alot about insulin resistance etc. which makes it hard. So if people want to pay out of their own money (which is usual for these drugs) to reduce the burden on the health service and improve their health they should be commended, it is the responsible thing to do.

You're generous. Im thinking getting hand trapped in car door, dropping a whole tray of glasses all over the floor while you're wearing bare feet, giving the cat a tablet. I could go on.

There are current trials on Mounjaro being used to treat alcoholism. If successful I wonder if people will be outraged then.

Yes this is another thing, those on GLP-1s have reportedly been able to give up drinking and smoking a lot easier.

Of course that's a type of addiction that's accepted in society.

Even to buy it online (from a registered pharmacy) you have to meet the criteria. If you know a lot of people who are buying it from dodgy sources and don’t meet the criteria well then, I’m afraid they’re not very bright.