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Support & Advice desperately needed re. Early weaning and Sleeping

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pussycatmomma · 21/05/2008 20:23

Hi I am a very tired mum of a 15 wk old gorgeous boy. Please excuse my incoherance I just want to get the facts down and start getting some advice. Havent much time to type so if you respond and i dont answer straight away i will get back here eventually. Please help!!
I have been exlusively breastfeeding up to around 12 weeks. We tried him on a bottle of expressed milk which he takes very well from about 3 weeks. We tried to give him an expressed milk feed once a week just to keep him in the habit of drinking from a bottle. HOwever I was finding it such a complete faff and very time consuming to express milk so we stopped doing it as much. During this time I was eating really healthily and doing tons of walking and have lost weight. I now weigh about half a stone less than i did before finding out i was pregnant. I am sick of people telling me that my milk quality is too poor and that is why ds not sleeping well. I get lots of neg comments all the time from mother in law, sisters in law, mother and my own sister. They are all telling me my little ds is hungry and that is why he is not sleeping. So we introduced a bottle of formula milk before his bedtime at 7. It has made no difference whatsoever to his sleeping. Now they are all going on at me to try baby rice. I dont want to wean my baby early!!!! But they are all making me feel like i am starving him!! He is between the 5th and 9th centiles on chart, but is all in proportion. Health visitor keeps good check on his weights/measurements etc and says he is doing fine. He consistenly gains weight even if it is only a small amount. I know the government guidelines are to wait 6mths. I want to wait 6mths. I also want to continue to bf for as long as i can. But the constant pressure from other people is really getting me down. Everyone seems to think that he needs to " progress" on to formula and that my milk is no longer enough for him. I am feeling like a complete failure. We introduced a bottle in hope of him sleeping longer but it has made no difference. Am I expecting too much in wanting him to sleep longer? he goes to sleep beautifully every evening at 7, and regularly sleeps till about 12- 1am. Sometimes he wakes at 10.30 for a feed but not all the time. The problem is after hes woken for the 1 o clock he is awake every half hour / hour or so. I am rubbish at leaving him to cry, i just cant bear it. Sometimes he is placated with his dummy or a bit of face stroking, other times its pick up and feed. However he is not going back to sleep for any length of time before wakening and crying again. By the time I get to 6-6.30 am I am so exhausted as I have been up nearly all night. Because Im getting up to feed and my dh is at work Im the one getting up all the time.
Should I carry on with the formula before he goes to bed? is it worth it? would b/f be better? Pls reassure (if it is the case) that i am doing the best thing for my little boy. I just need someone to say im doing ok.

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Izzywhizzy · 21/05/2008 20:25

You are doing OK

NotABanana · 21/05/2008 20:27

I think what he is sleeping is spot on.

Your baby will take what milk he needs before your body sustains you so that is crap.

It can be dangerous to wean a baby too early.

IGNORE THEM. I know it is hard but unless they force feed your baby formula or rice, he won't get it until you say.

Habbibu · 21/05/2008 20:30

You are doing just fine. I lost stacks of weight bf'ing dd, even though I was pretty much living on chocolate muffins - it just happens that way. The weaning/sleeping thing is a myth, and no more - there's no evidence for it at all, just anecdote, and for everyone who tells you weaning helped their baby sleep, there'll be someone else (ie me) who'll tell you it stuffed up their baby's sleep...

So - he's eating, sleeping up to 5 hours solid (wow!) at night, wet and dirty nappies, bright, alert? Then he's just FINE. If he needs to feeds from you more, then let him - that'll boost your supply. I'll see if the lovely Tiktok is around on the milk feeding threads - she'll give you lots of ammo!

Habbibu · 21/05/2008 20:31

meant - "it just happens that way sometimes"

pussycatmomma · 21/05/2008 20:31

i think i need to have courage and self belief. I have read so much about how it is important not to wean until babys tummy will be able to tolerate etc and how early weaning can lead to food alergies and irritable bowel and all sorts of things. I think just cause i am so tired and a first time mum its hard to keep on saying "i think this and that" when they are experienced and all make it sound like they are experts.
They forget that advice changes and that this is current advice. I dont want to feel like i am doing things wrong or that i am causing the sleep sitution. I want to do what is right for my baby not what is better for me.

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pussycatmomma · 21/05/2008 20:33

thank you . I think im finding it upsetting about the comments re. My weight, because i have tried hard to eat very healthily to try and produce good milk, now they are throwing it back in my face by telling me i am too thin to bf adequately!!!! like they are all bloody experts!! and this is all from women who have never bf

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Habbibu · 21/05/2008 20:35

pcm, don't worry - try to get into the habit of nodding, smiling and ignoring...

pussycatmomma · 21/05/2008 20:35

sorry, yes, baby very alert, smiley, interested in things around him, lots of wet and dirty nappies, vocalising lots and has started reaching and grabbing for things now.

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lilyloo · 21/05/2008 20:36

symapathys here my dd 16 weeks not sleeping either.
If it helps ds1 was bf and didn't sleep until 3
dd1 was bf and slept throug from 6 weeks
dd2 is now eebf and we are similair to you. This time i am wise enough to tell well meaning people no amount of formula / baby rice will make my baby sleep when she needs comfort / me etc.
I am trying to placate more with the dummy but if not i bf. Yes it is hard and yes i am very tired but it doesn't last forever and if you don't have an issue with it don't let others tell you what to do.
Can your dh get up early in the morning i tend to give her over after 5am feed and get 2 good hours sleep then!

p.s you are doing the best thing he is your lo and you know him better than any other well meaning adult!

RhinestoneCowgirl · 21/05/2008 20:36

Your baby is still so young, and you are doing a fantastic job bf him

DS had a similar sleep pattern at that age, a 5-6 hr block at the beginning of the night then up frequently after that - just at the time when I wanted to be sleeping! It's hard when you're so tired and getting pressure from all sides, but you really are doing ok.

I found getting a few really early nights in a couple of times a week, say 8pm, took the edge off the tiredness. It did get better as he got older.

lilyloo · 21/05/2008 20:38

I also lost weight when bf all mine and as i say dd1 couldn't have been any better and ds any worse ( think some one may disagree)

beansprout · 21/05/2008 20:39

Who on earth is telling you that your milk is of poor quality?!! There are women who are undernourished who still produce good b/milk, nature is clever and your body will provide what your baby needs.

How long have you had to feed this frequently during the night? There is a growth spurt at around 16 weeks (where you are now) which means they feed more frequently for a few days but it then settles down again.

You sound like you and your lovely boy are actually doing really well, the main problem seems to be people who are intent on undermining you.

Please come and join us on the Feb 08 post natal thread. We are a fab bunch and there's lots of support (even if I say so myself!!)

Big hug to you.

Psychobabble · 21/05/2008 20:39

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Habbibu · 21/05/2008 20:40

Oh, and "I am rubbish at leaving him to cry, i just cant bear it." No law says you have to! It's OK to pick up a crying baby. You will not bring disaster down on all your heads!

tiktok · 21/05/2008 20:56

pussycat , here are some facts

  • giving formula does not increase the amount of sleep parents get. You can read this for yourself with this study here
  • you have a real problem with your supposed support team - these people should be cheering you on and giving you encouragement not undermining you. Your dh could play a role in shutting them up!
  • your diet, and your weight loss, will have no part to play at all in the quality of your milk - this is scientific fact - which is high no matter what. Mothers who are literally starving may find it hard to maintain quantity, but quality remains fine
  • fighting your ds's need to wake and seek comfort at night may be harder work than accepting it and feeding him when he wants and simply co-sleeping (safely) so you are disturbed least
  • his waking is normal
  • early solids risk harming his health long-term
  • you are doing really well and would feel better about everything if other people kept their ignorance to themselves
foxythesnowfox · 21/05/2008 21:07

I'm sorry you are having a hard time. I had weight-gain issues with DC4 (not just you first-timers who feel hopelessly inadequate! ) and really had to up the ante with the breastfeeding. I would second the recommendation for co-sleeping, not just from a feeding point of view, but you will feel soooo much more rested.

Talk to DH about co-sleeping. It turned things around for us.

pussycatmomma · 21/05/2008 21:13

thank you!! very interesting. Im loving the fact that my milk quality will still be "quality" and not completely worthless as my sister suggested today!!!! She said i had lost too much weight too quickly and i was basically being selfish and not putting my baby first. Which is utter crap. Having a baby and being stressed and tired plus not having much time to eat in the first place - hard not to lose weight. Re co-sleeping, I am frightened of lieing on him or him suffocating under our covers. At first he slept in a crib in our room but as i was taking him into bed to bf him, i often fell asleep with him and would wake up and then put him in his crib. I was worried that was dangerous for him so now he is in cot in his own room + monitor for movement/sound.

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tiktok · 21/05/2008 21:21

Your sis sounds a piece of work.....

lilyloo · 21/05/2008 21:23

pussycat i am no longer co sleeping but could you not bring him back into your room and get a chair to bf in.
I find this stops me falling asleep but means it' as comfy as it gets at 1/3/5 in the morning

foxythesnowfox · 21/05/2008 21:24

I moved our pillows further down the bed and away from the middle, so LOs head would be higher than ours. Its very unlikely you will roll over onto him - and it helped that DH de-camped for a few nights too

I lost weight too (I was doing Weightwatchers but taking into account bf). I gave that up. I also took an oil supplement from Neals Yard which contains all the Essential Fatty Acids you need.

There are plenty of breastfeeding supplements to help, breastfeedingheaven.com have teas and the like.

And kellymom is the breastfeeders best friend

pussycatmomma · 21/05/2008 21:25

oh she is, completely. Makes me very sad. You would think she would know better, she is pregnant with her first and due next month. All she has ever done is critisise the way i do things, how i do it, what i buy for him. She hasnt got it in her to say anything positive to me . Her baby is a result of lots of heartwrenching ivf and tbh i think she is still angry that i got prg. (even so, with pcos, 2 ops and clomid. my ds wasnt easy to come by!)

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lilyloo · 21/05/2008 21:27

Give her a month then

pussycatmomma · 21/05/2008 21:29

yes i thought about moving the cot back in. I will suggest it to dh. I had read a few newspaper stories on women whose baby had died due to suffocation/overheating and i am just scared of the risk however small, i think. Although thinking back he was sleeping better then. Gosh its one dilemma after a bloody nother isnt it.....thanks for the link to the kellys mom site i am going to peruse it now.
Thank you all so much for your comments. I really do appreciate it. xxx

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tiktok · 21/05/2008 21:30

It is sad your sis is like this....one of the horrid things that fertility issues manage to do is to stir up very difficult feelings towards others who have babies, but you would think she would keep the nasty comments to herself

Perhaps you can tell her how unsupportive she is being?

Greedygirl · 21/05/2008 21:30

Pussycatmomma, you sound like you are doing brilliantly, especially in the face of all that negativity! I may way off the mark but could your sister be jealous?