Non-vegan who believe themselves to be animal lovers

[Milake]

How do they ignore the obvious hypocrisy?
How do they live with the cognitive dissonance?

I am almost jealous of their ability to live in such a state that allows them to detach themselves from the reality of the consequences of their choices.

It's called the food chain

I love animals. I also eat sustainable meat and eggs produced on my small holding. I see no hypocrisy at all and marvel that so many people who live lives completely detached from food production con themselves they are 'better'. Where are your nuts and pulses grown? What land is used? who's soil quality eroded? I see veganism as neo colonialism. We cannot grow high protein veg matter in this soil - we can grown grass and feed sheep and corn and feed chickens and eat the male lambs and the eggs as out ancestors did.
Humans are a plague species, you cannot opt out of it. That is cognitive dissonance.

Seeing as @Milake was eating delicious roast chicken as recently as November, she should know the answer to her own question 😆
Surprise, surprise, has disappeared from this thread…

I think they would see it as medical in the same way as they are happy taking medications tested on animals
I could imagine they would kill bed bugs but not so sure about rats - so also not sure where the line is drawn. Maybe it's things with a clear face and selected cute bugs. (bee/ladybird but not so much ants and cockroaches)

I think she changed her username after she was called out

I’m a meat eater but I catch mice in humane traps and release them. Should I be wracked with concern over my inconsistency?

I’m not surprised 😆

I worked with a vegan who believed if everyone suddenly everyone became vegan they would let all the farm animals go free.
Apart from the fact they would get sick/injured probably. They would be taking up space and stealing the huge amounts of food we would need to grow and import to exist. So we’d need to get rid of them surely.
And we’d have to create more land for arable growing and clear habitats away. I could never see how it worked.

Hurrah our lambing has just finished. The efforts we go to make sure the lambs and ewes survive and thrive are above and beyond. We love and care for our sheep. Ill sheep are treated or given a quick dispatch if suffering. They are not ripped from their mothers too early as someone hinted at above. By the time the lambs are weaned the ewes are sick to death of them.

I think lamb is one of the more ethical meats to be fair, you don’t hear of them crammed into small spaces. They are also generally on grazing that isn’t suitable to crops so would otherwise be wasted in terms of food production.

The line is “avoid animal exploitation as far as possible and practicable”. Therefore anything that saves your life/ your health (medicine) or that you need to function in society (these days I’d say a phone, not having a home full of bugs or a head full of nits) would fall within the definition of not possible/ practicable.

You're absolutely correct. My land is 'less favoured'. It's not arable land. If I were to sell it would be with planning permission for building 'executive homes'.

Well there is no chance everyone will suddenly go vegan. It’s not possible therefore we don’t need to consider it.

if many people become vegan gradually over time, then as supply for animals being killed drops, less animals will be bred and killed, and so on and so forth.

We wouldn’t need to create more arable land as 40% of arable land in the UK is used to grow crops to feed animals so we could use that land.

Because anyone can post where they like - there's no rule against it.

How many of these have we hit so far? Most of them I think. This was made a long time ago and yet the same “reasons” (which aren’t really reasons) for not being vegan are still trotted out as if they are oh-so-original.

And just to re-iterate, this is the vegan board!

It was a pretty incendiary thread title that popped up in active threads. Meat eaters are entitled to defend themselves and let you know that no we are no all guilt ridden but actually most are happy with their well thought out attitude towards their diet.

I used to be vegan and large proportion of my uni friend group were too.

None of them are now and everyone just looks so much better it's insane. Even the super healthy, knew about all the supplements and did everything carefully just glows now, as well as looking naturally more athletic and energetic.
A lot of improvements across the board re energy and mental health too.
I didn't want to believe it but honestly even being veggie just really takes it toll on me. I would actually prefer to be but after numerous attempts it comes down to the fact that I look and feel a million times better with a little meat in my diet.

Not quite a full house but the thread is young.

I think those in need of defence are the pigs screaming as they are gassed, painful tail docking and teeth clipping of piglets, the newborn male chicks deemed so worthless they get less than a day of life, sometimes tossed live into a grinder, the chickens and ducks painfully debeaked, chickens bred so that they can’t even support their weight at six weeks old, hung upside down and dunked into electrified water, pregnant cows killed and fetuses cut from them, cows crying for their babies taken from them, some of the male calves being killed at days old, the sheep who have their tails docked, or have to be sheared distressingly as quickly as possible, or rubber band castration, being left without food or water for days during live transport, and many more sentient beings who face atrocities so we can buy animal products, beings who can feel joy and fear and sadness and pain and anger and love (not anthropomorphising them, it’s just fact).

Not to mention the impact on the abattoir workers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-50986683.amp

No amount of “food chain” “canine teeth” “cows would go extinct” “lions do it”, “vegans are preachy”, “plants feel pain” or whatever nonsense can change my mind that it is indefensible to do this to sentient beings
and I feel comfortable that the vegan board is the place to express this.

@kikisparks no one is trying to change your mind, that’s why so many are objecting to the attitude of vegans on this thread, they are trying to change the minds of meat eaters.

Because we are omnivores. Have been for millennia. It’s how we evolved. Chimps eat other monkeys, sharks eat fish, lions eat antelope. It’s evolution, doesn’t stop me loving my horse.

I'm not a vegan. I really love animals. I don't eat meat. I believe most of us live in denial about so many things. The reality of things can be too painful and uncomfortable to cope with. If we don't have to hear the animals tell us how much they're suffering or watch cows cry when their babies are taken away then we can carry on in ignorant bliss.
I think this behaviour in most of us applies to so many things in life.

I guess, when you think about it… But most people don’t.

Unless you are a vegan you can't call yourself an 'animal lover'. Eating meat / dairy / eggs is contributing directly to animal cruelty.

So many misconceptions on this thread. No we don't 'need meat to be healthy'. And no factory farming is not 'what we've done for centuries'. It's incredibly far removed from that and the animals are kept in appalling conditions.

If you eat meat watch the trailer to Dominion on YouTube then still see if you can call yourself an animal lover.

I grew up on a small holding, cows, sheep, pigs, chickens, ducks, turkeys were all for eating, not our pets!