Non-vegan who believe themselves to be animal lovers

[Milake]

How do they ignore the obvious hypocrisy?
How do they live with the cognitive dissonance?

I am almost jealous of their ability to live in such a state that allows them to detach themselves from the reality of the consequences of their choices.

And I dont disagree with anything you have said, it when Vegans (or anyone) decides to lecture others I take an issue with

I don’t think lecturing helps on either ‘side’, but it’s ok to talk about it at an appropriate time and place.

I can understand people getting passionate about animals being harmed, which then comes across as lecturing, and I think it often does come from a good place from vegans, but it’s not helpful usually.

@FollowTheMusic I find it's usually the vegans picking at everyone else.

I'm a meat eater- but I do reckon that generally the meat eaters on threads about vegetarianism/veganism are the most obnoxious. From all the leather shoes/shellac nails oh so clever gotchas to the frankly insane "why should I cook vegetarian food for you if you won't cook meat for me" and "I don't like vegetarian food"- we make the most extreme imaginary evangelical vegan look positively saintly.

I think life is too short. Everyone has their reasons. I havent eaten meat for 38 year. Although i wear leather. So not vegetarian in that sense. That could be hypocritical... but its my life, my choice, im fine with that

That’s true.

"If god didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them of meat." Sarah Palin.

I think you are oversimplifying what is actually a far more complex issue.
Strive for progress not perfection.
I love animals, support animal welfare charities, encourage wildlife in my garden, drove an hour to the nearest hedgehog hospital to take a poorly hog there, destroyed my lounge wall to knock a hole in it to rescue a stuck bird etc. But yes, I also happily devour meat.

But saying that omnivores can't also be animal lovers is nonsense. As someone said upthread, would you rather meat eaters also kicked local cats and stamped on frogs?

It's like saying that because someone doesn't use beeswax wraps instead of cling film there is no point them bothering to recycle anything.

Or because they still have a bath instead of a shower they may as well leave the tap running 24/7 and be done with it.

Or because someone doesn't give to every charity then what's the point in giving to any?

Humans are flawed. Even with veganism there are many undesirable negative impacts such as use of land, pesticides, travel impacts, particularly for protein products etc.

The world isn't perfect and people sure as hell aren't. All any of us can do is our best within our own ability and belief systems.

PP said about "doing the best they can" within the choices they make so buying a refurbished phone for example. My meat eating version of that is buying meat products from sources with the highest welfare standards, free range eggs etc.

But being judgemental about other's choices when your own arent perfect either seems unnecessary.

God and Sarah Palin, now there are two things the world would be better off without.

I also couldn’t kill an animal so I just can’t comprehend paying for someone else to do it for me. I personally think if you aren’t prepared to kill the animal yourself then you shouldn’t be eating it. I’d have far more respect for people if they did this.

This is unusual - Vegans preferring Shechita and Dhabīhah methods of slaughter. Seeing as the methods came about with the intention of making slaughter quick, painless and as humane as possible for animals when killed by individuals for their families or by expert Shochetim, it could make sense, but it's far more common for the reverse.

I am just a regular person, I try to do my bit by buying locally, meat and veg where possible and I try to recycle as much as I can, those kinds of things. However I admit I like the odd avocado and I am a meat eater. I actually like the idea of being a vegetarian and admire people who can do it. But I love the taste of meat and don't want to give it up. I also have a mobile phone and whilst I do buy second hand clothes, I will freely admit I do also love a trip around Matalan. I also volunteer for a local animal charity so would argue I'm an animal lover. That probably does make me a hypocrite, but I can live with that, I do my best and don't pretend I'm better than others that make different choices.

What I get really cross about is when a devout vegan starts preaching at me that I'm a horrible person and don't care about animals because I eat meat, whilst they have a mobile phone and drive a car (especially if it's an electric one)! So I don't care about animals because I eat them, but if you point out that by having a phone and a car, they have to admit they don't care about children, because the abuse those children suffer and the appalling conditions those children live in to mine the ore for those phone and car batteries are often worse than most animals suffer before I eat them, then they get all defensive and huffy and say that's different... That's what I call hypocrisy.

I’ve mentioned that I bought my phone refurbished which isn’t perfect but better than buying a new one. I was just pointing out that most people have cognitive dissonance over one thing or another in life.

As a vegetarian, I suppose I am a bit of a hypocrite as I still support and fund the dairy industry. I personally don't see myself ever going back to being a meat eater, but I respect those that do and although I would give my opinion if asked, I would never "preach". I would recommend that everyone should watch the documentary "". It's a really tough watch [even the first 10 minutes!], but is a real eye opener when it comes to the workings of the meat industry.

@housethatbuiltme
What do you think happens to all the male babies that don't lay eggs or produce milk

😁 We eat them or turn them into fertiliser for crops. Some get frozen to feed other animals....

My point is, the animals I eat have had a half decent life... and of course they get killed at some point. I doubt any animal that is getting older and producing less will be going to happy retirement farm.

We just have to be realistic, we eat mass produced food. Mass production is shite for the environment, for people and animals. It really doesn't matter if you are vegan vegetarian or meat eater. Your impact on the environment is still shit and whatever you do has only a tiny impact on the overall damage done.

Speciesism. It makes no sense to me either.

So you treat ants the same as people?

So here's a question I've never been able to answer. What happens if a vegan gets nits? Or a bug infestation at home? Honestly, no offence meant, this is a serious question. I really don't know where the line is drawn.

🤣

Most vegans definition is to exclude harm to animals as far as is possible and practical.

Treating nits would generally come under medical treatment and so would be seen as necessary by most I would think. Also, if you don’t treat them, they would likely spread to others who would treat them, and more would end up being killed.

Yep - this. Best of both worlds. I get to love animals (specifically my pets) and I also get to enjoy tasty food made out of animals.😋

Would be interested to know too! Perhaps sentient animals only? Non-sentient living things they don't care about🤔

I did think it was possibly just a goady question, but chose to answer it in good spirit and give the poster the benefit of the doubt. 😉

I’ve answered.

You would have to define sentient I think, for example recent discoveries have shown that plants feel more and communicate more than was previously understood

It's wonderful that you are perfect. We need people like you to judge the rest of us. As a matter of interest, what is the perfect environmentally friendly technology that you posted this amazing thought on?