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Hosting and warning non-vegans

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veganhost · 16/03/2024 11:23

We are just about to move into a big enough home in a desirable area where it’ll be easy to have people stay overnight. We are looking forward to welcoming visitors, including on a ’hotel style’ basis, ie feel free to crash at ours but do what you want otherwise.

Now, since we’ve welcomed quite a few people to come and stay, not everyone is super aware of our belief and I feel that we need to warn people that we do not want any non-vegan food in our home. Some vegans don’t have any issues with this, but we do, and won’t change our minds. We are really not interested in discussing this or ’negotiating’, so to speak. I feel that we need to warn people about this so that they know before they come (and if they don’t want to come if they can’t have cow’s milk with their cereal eg, ok!).

How do we do this in the best way? I’ve thought of just mentioning it casually in an e-mail – is it then better as soon as a visit is discussed, or once dates have been set? Any suggestions on how to word this in a friendly but firm way would be much appreciated! I don’t really want to explain it, just state it, to avoid the risk of being told that we’re silly eg, but maybe a casual mention won't be noticed…

I wonder if any other vegan has personal experience of a similar situation, or if any non-vegan have a view on what they think. Any suggestions on how to best convey this in a nice but ’final’ way would be welcome!

Thanks for any thoughts 😊

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Shadowonasun · 16/03/2024 21:03

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Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:04

Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:02

You only ever hear these terms when filling out in flight food orders.

I would say though
Airlines still won’t give a vegetarian a piece of bloody chocolate 😤

notsofast24 · 16/03/2024 21:04

Springingtosprimg · 16/03/2024 20:26

In actual fact I don’t believe any food is vegan. Most commercially grown crops rely on bees. The bees are hugely stressed each time they are moved to a new crop. So why is it not ok to eat honey but is ok to eat the crops that rely on their exploitation?

Because honey is a product made by the bees for the bees

notsofast24 · 16/03/2024 21:06

Kalevala - that's veggie

Oneofthesurvivors · 16/03/2024 21:07

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You sound delightful

Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:09

Oneofthesurvivors · 16/03/2024 21:07

You sound delightful

Never mind.😉
Maybe they feel so much better now they’ve let off steam.🤣🤣🤣

Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:10

Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:09

Never mind.😉
Maybe they feel so much better now they’ve let off steam.🤣🤣🤣

Oo. And deleted. Hurrah🤣🤣

GraveyardWhistling · 16/03/2024 21:12

Oneofthesurvivors · 16/03/2024 21:07

You sound delightful

Didn’t they just.

I read it before it was deleted. I kind of wish those posts were allowed to stand. It’s always vegans being accused of being preachy or judgemental (I know very few who are) so I like the meat eaters to be seen when they act like nobheads. 😅

Springingtosprimg · 16/03/2024 21:22

@notsofast24 so why isn’t wool ok for vegans? That is removed for welfare reasons.

Minymile · 16/03/2024 21:26

Springingtosprimg · 16/03/2024 21:22

@notsofast24 so why isn’t wool ok for vegans? That is removed for welfare reasons.

Its not as simple as it seems

Hosting and warning non-vegans
Kalevala · 16/03/2024 21:28

Minymile · 16/03/2024 21:26

Its not as simple as it seems

If the sheep exists, then what do you do with the wool?

caringcarer · 16/03/2024 21:29

Definitely warn them before they commit to come to your home. It's up to you what food you have at your own home but it's not fair not to warn them before they commit to coming. I wouldn't mind what rules you had about food in your own home but I just wouldn't want to come because I don't like vegetables apart from peas and carrots. I don't eat salad and I'm allergic to mushrooms. I eat meat for most meals and the meals I don't eat meat I eat eggs or cheese. I would starve if I came.

caringcarer · 16/03/2024 21:30

veganhost · 16/03/2024 12:18

@Candleabra
Interesting point! I was thinking that we don’t talk about it etc (and certainly won’t leave any leaflets around, but equally we obviously won’t remove our quite large selection of books on philosophical issues related to animal rights etc!

@bakewellbride
I see what you mean! When we invite, we provide everything. This is likely to become a little more relaxed and people more or less inviting themselves. When I visit on the same terms it feels natural to by some food sometime, some nice breakfast stuff for a joint breakfast, contributing to an evening meal eg or just buying my own breakfast food. And that’s where we wouldn’t want people to also buy some ham for example.

Even breakfast food like croissants has an egg/milk wash.

Minymile · 16/03/2024 21:32

Kalevala · 16/03/2024 21:28

If the sheep exists, then what do you do with the wool?

Edited

You’d have to ask a farmer of old I suppose.
Or someone that has wild sheep.

However
If sheep weren’t bred for meat then there would be no sheep and no worry about what happens to the wool.

GraveyardWhistling · 16/03/2024 21:32

caringcarer · 16/03/2024 21:29

Definitely warn them before they commit to come to your home. It's up to you what food you have at your own home but it's not fair not to warn them before they commit to coming. I wouldn't mind what rules you had about food in your own home but I just wouldn't want to come because I don't like vegetables apart from peas and carrots. I don't eat salad and I'm allergic to mushrooms. I eat meat for most meals and the meals I don't eat meat I eat eggs or cheese. I would starve if I came.

OP clearly said she was going to warn people.

You would probably have to be there a while eating your peas and carrots, before you would starve, but I do love the dramatics. 😂

Springingtosprimg · 16/03/2024 21:33

So it’s the fact that sheep are exploited in the production of wool. But bees are exploited in the production of many plant based foods. How is that not the same?

caringcarer · 16/03/2024 21:35

PermanentTemporary · 16/03/2024 12:34

I think it's sensible to be upfront. I think a lot of non-vegans would assume that it would be fine to being some cows' milk to stick in the fridge - they might even think they were being helpful! - or to pick up some lovely croissants for everyone, or a bottle of non-vegan wine.

I don't know any kids who won't eat some variety of toast and jam/marmite/peanut butter/honey, or pancakes. Presumably there are some but all these things are manageable if everyone is honest.

Honey comes from bees and butter is made from cream. I make my own butter. Ie. both animal products.

GraveyardWhistling · 16/03/2024 21:36

Sheep were bred to produce excess wool, therefore exploiting them. There’s also plenty of videos knocking around with sheep being abused whilst being sheared. Punched and kicked by the farm workers. Nasty bastards.

Springingtosprimg · 16/03/2024 21:38

Have you ever seen how bees react when their hives are moved? They may not be being kicked and punches but they are not happy about it.

Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:39

GraveyardWhistling · 16/03/2024 21:36

Sheep were bred to produce excess wool, therefore exploiting them. There’s also plenty of videos knocking around with sheep being abused whilst being sheared. Punched and kicked by the farm workers. Nasty bastards.

Did you see what happened to a sheep on fireworks night at the Royal Agricultural University……and most of those kids are farmers kids or training to be farmers. !

Disgusting

Oneofthesurvivors · 16/03/2024 21:40

Springingtosprimg · 16/03/2024 21:33

So it’s the fact that sheep are exploited in the production of wool. But bees are exploited in the production of many plant based foods. How is that not the same?

Are you aware that people have to eat to survive? Being vegan is about doing the least harm possible.

caringcarer · 16/03/2024 21:41

Wheresthescissors · 16/03/2024 12:19

I think if a Muslim or Jewish family were posting this no one would say you should be allowed to bring bacon into their house.
Harder for someone with a small child who tend to be less keen on swapping cow's milk for oat, for example!

Banning one meat is very different to banning all meat, eggs, cheese, cream, honey, milk etc

Wingham · 16/03/2024 21:42

Springingtosprimg · 16/03/2024 21:38

Have you ever seen how bees react when their hives are moved? They may not be being kicked and punches but they are not happy about it.

Perhaps a true vegan needs to eat only organic.

GraveyardWhistling · 16/03/2024 21:44

Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:39

Did you see what happened to a sheep on fireworks night at the Royal Agricultural University……and most of those kids are farmers kids or training to be farmers. !

Disgusting

I did see that. Utter bastards!

Those poor sheep.

Prunesqualler · 16/03/2024 21:44

caringcarer · 16/03/2024 21:41

Banning one meat is very different to banning all meat, eggs, cheese, cream, honey, milk etc

OPs offering free accommodation. There are plenty of hotels instead.
No one has to feel deprived.