Advice on taking child to Morocco to meet father’s family.

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My DD had a child following a holiday romance. Father has not met child for various reasons and is not on birth certificate. My DD is now considering taking DS to meet him and his family.

I’m concerned that if there were to be any plans in place would they be able to stop her returning to UK with him?
I know Morocco is signed up to Hague Convention but that unfortunately this is not foolproof.

Annual leave? This is Morocco! There is no annual leave. And he can't travel even if he could afford it. When average income is something like £300 a month how do you expect that to work even if he could get a tourist visa? Which he can't, by the way!

Moroccan people can visit the UK, and they do get annual leave.

Great, so he can do this. Problem solved!

Fantastic advice . Very well done .. OP stongky suggest you do this .
On no account let your daughter go to Morocco on her own

He can meet his child’s when he can get time off work. And a neutral third country is a good idea if a uk visa is hard- basically if he’s not making any effort then decision made, he doesn’t meet his child.
him: but my mum wants to meet her
your dd: that doesn’t matter when our baby has never even met you, and you’re the dad. You can meet baby first, and if you don’t feel like doing that then I don’t see why your mum needs to meet baby.

Moroccan law is 18 days paid leave annually, are you saying that the law isn’t effective there? In which case the ops dd should definitely not take her child there.

Yes! Most people do not have official contracts of employment. Employment law is applied to government jobs like police and medicine but your average person has no contract and no employment rights. I am not seeing the connection between poor workers rights and whether the child should visit the country though?

Morocco was one of the ports that made us feel the most unsafe when it was on our cruise. SD being continuously cat called, dodgy traders trying to get you to walk woth them up alley ways, lots of pockets of men etc. Not a place I would return to or would want to take a child.

If it was a holiday romance presumably they are not married which will be an issue in Morocco, so I would definitely advise against travelling there.

The connection is very clear. Poor law enforcement gives the ops dd very limited resources if her baby’s dad’s family decide to keep baby.

That is insanely dangerous. A relative of mine was a solicitor who worked solely on international custody disputes where the man/man's family would either kidnap the child or detain the child/mother and child. It happens ALL the time and often there is no resolution.

It's not race, it's culture and international law. Would you say it's racist to warn against going to N Korea?

No no no, let them visit here if they want to see the child

Contraception failure can still end with an abortion. The woman in the scenario could both prevent pregnancy and end any unplanned pregnancy but she chose instead to continue the pregnancy with a foreign stranger. She had the most control in this situation and was completely away from him to make such decisions with no pressure. She chose to bring the baby who needs a father in the world. Now she needs to make sure that baby know where its from and sees their family like every good parent would.

And lots of us have friends and family in the same situation. We aren't reading about it in newspapers or seeing it made for TV films. We know people from these places and who have had children in similar circumstances. Honestly, most have no intention of bringing up their kid in a country with less opportunity than thr UK. What they might try and do is marry you so they can come back with you. Not keep another hungry belly in their village!

If men want to 109% avoid becoming fathers then they need to 100% avoid sex. I’m pro-choice but pressuring women to abort a baby because the father is unwilling is abhorrent. OPs daughter clearly hasn’t asked for anything other than offering the chance for him to meet his baby. You seem to imply he is some poor, innocent, naive person seduced by a tourist and forced into fatherhood. I suspect that the truth is more likely that he works in the tourist industry and I doubt this is the first young woman he has had (illegal) sex with, he probably thought it was risk free as she’d be going home regardless - if he though about it at all!

Absolutely not

She wouldn't be aborting the baby because the father is unwilling, she would not be continuing the pregnancy because the father is in a different country, they are not in a relationship and it will be difficult to facilitate a relationship between the baby and their father under the circumstances.

I don't think anyone was seduced or naive. I just think that you have the responsibility to facilitate a relationship between a child and their parent outside of extreme circumstances. I see these as 2 adults, it is just one has the privilege of being in a country where she can ensure contact with the father (whose country she voluntarily visited) much more easily than he can leave to visit here.

It is pretty much the same as the many people I know who have had a baby with someone in their "home" country in Africa or the Caribbean while living here.