Advice on taking child to Morocco to meet father’s family.

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My DD had a child following a holiday romance. Father has not met child for various reasons and is not on birth certificate. My DD is now considering taking DS to meet him and his family.

I’m concerned that if there were to be any plans in place would they be able to stop her returning to UK with him?
I know Morocco is signed up to Hague Convention but that unfortunately this is not foolproof.

She will never see that child, ever again

Is she keen to see the man again, apart from introducing the child?

Absolutely no way

Very bad idea.
He can come here, I would not even risk Gibraltar. He can meet the baby on their home territory, then there’s the most minimal risk. She would be crazy to take her child there alone.

Not a chance in hell.

Terrible and dangerous idea.

The father can see the child in the UK if he is really interested.

He has been struggling to afford a visa apparently.....

Well there's a red flag.

Do not send any money.

What’s the purpose of this visit? A one-off chance for the man to meet his son or with a view to establishing a long term relationship between them? It doesn’t sound like he could possibly afford the latter and there doesn’t seem any point to the former.

Another no from me. This whole situation has red flags all over it, he obviously cant be too desperate to see the child if hes coming up with excuses already. Dont send money over for a visa either. Facetime is free.

OP I would do anything to stop my daughter taking the child to Morocco. Including paying for her to have legal advice, hiding the passport, whatever it takes. Overstepping be damned. At any cost. It will not end well, please do not sit back and let her do this, it's incredibly risky and foolish.

Maybe a sibling for the baby?

I don’t think you going, would stop any potential things going wrong, is really see if you can persuade her to do the Gibraltar option mentioned in thread

A visitor visa to enter the UK is £135. I understand this might be a lot of he's on a low wage but if he's struggling to scrape this amount together how is he going to support the child.

Your daughter would be better to save her money for herself and the child rather than spend it travelling to his country and all the issues that might bring with it.

You going makes no difference. All they need to do is snatch the kid and you wont see him/her again

Not in a Million years

No. And I say this as someone happily married to a person from the western side of the middle east. It is simply not worth the risk. Even if he doesn't want to snatch the child, he may have family members who will. You have no idea how far they will go and how the local authorities will cover for them.

So your dd has carried, his baby, birthed the baby, looks after the baby, bought all the baby items that are needed and he expects her to travel. NOT. A. CHANCE!

he needs to make an effort to come and see his baby, not expect her to run to him.

it’s time he steps up.

Moroccans rarely get tourist visas to visit the UK. It's a developing country.

He wouldn't get one. Unless he's extremely wealthy, tourist visas are almost not possible for Moroccans to the UK.

Tell her to watch the sally field movie “not without my daughter ”

This thread is mad, and pretty racist. Just because she has a child with a foreign man she met on holiday that he and his family are definitely planning to kidnap the child forever? What on god's green earth makes you believe this so firmly?

OP I would go with her, keep the child's passport with you at all times and keep your wits about you. But this is half the child's DNA, birth family and cultural heritage. Erasing that from his life won't do any of you any favours.

Oh my god yes they would. Do you think Morocco is a primitive lawless backwater? I assure you if an English child was kidnapped the Moroccan police would be all over it.

No he won't. Without a family book (Moroccan birth certificate equivalent) he will have no legal rights in Morocco. The child would be subject to return to the UK under the Hague convention should anyone kidnap him and the father would be arrested.

How does keeping the child’s passport help once you are in Morocco. It will cost a lot more for all three of you to go over there - why don’t you offer to pay for his visa and flight, this would be cheaper for you + risk free and if he doesn’t come then it’s clear he isn’t interested.

DON'T DO THIS. She'll be in an incredibly vulnerable position should he and/or his family decide to keep the child. Seriously. Don't.