Can stables weigh my daughter rather than accept my word?

[TheQuaintLemonDuck]

Are stables entitled to weigh my daughter rather than just take my word for it?

Yes and they absolutely should

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You know diddly squat about horses do you?

The adrenaline of jumping will often carry an unsound or struggling horse through. A very good proportion of the horses at any local show are visibly unsound to a trained eye. (Mine was trained over 50 years of owning multiple horses at a time. )

I am appalled at the idea that you have a tiny pony being jumped with a 12 stone rider.

did you even see the pics?

@BeAmberPanda can you send me the pics please

I have just looked at the jumping one and I can assure you that the experienced horse people on the forum would be appalled, starting with your daughter's hands and what she is doing to that pony's mouth jumping him bareback. Moving on to how she is going to slam down on his back as he lands by virtue of jumping with no stirrups to support her.

Then we get to the real crux of the matter. Sound horses jumping within their capabilities take off from the floor with both hind feet at the same moment with both hind feet the same distance from the fence (unless they are being put at the fence at an angle).

The split leg stance with his pasterns hitting the floor that the pony is showing is indicative of the fact that he is either unsound or carrying too much weight, or both.

I'm afraid your picture confirms what the experienced people on the forum are telling you. Your daughter needs to stop riding that lovely little pony, who is too willing for his own good.

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She sent me the photos

It's looks like she's riding a rocking horse or something.
Riding bareback, probably because she can't fit in the saddle....

Her legs look way too "long' for the horse...

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I’ve also seen the photos and frankly @BeAmberPanda you and your daughter should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves .

@BeAmberPanda you and your daughter are committing animal abuse. Any other words will get me banned. You’re both an utter disgrace.

When you said she wasn't "on him very long" I optimistically pictured at least that she was only on for a half hour plodding hack.

No, you are jumping without stirrups.

Animal abuse.

Sorry that pony looks about 11h not 12.2 and that looks so unacceptable! She is 100 % too big for the pony who is struggling to even propel its self over the jump

That poor horse. Even I can see he's buckling 😢

That pony does not look comfortable jumping. There is no bascule because the weight is too great on his back. Look at the angle of his hind pasterns aswell. And jumping bareback is even worse- that weight right on his spine.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. We’ve had horses in our family for my whole life, I am a BHS qualified instructor, have backed and produced many horses and ponies over the years, had a lot of competition success and I run our livery yard. I’m pretty qualified to tell you that that’s a horrific picture. The fact you think that pony looks comfortable tells me all I need to know about you.
Appalling abuse.

That's an awful picture - pony being yanked in the mouth over a jump, can barely scrape himself over as the rider is as big as he is.

Poor poor pony.

Those photos must be AI. No one would be so cruel.

if anyone recognises that animal abuser and/or the daughter from these photos , ie you recognize ANYTHING, , please do something about it. This is BLATANT animal abuse. These are very bad people.

Shame on you and your daughter!!!!! SHAME ON YOU BOTH!

OMFG. Considering I know nothing About horses /riding - even I can tell this girl is far too big for this poor horse

legs dangling down

Oh my god, that’s so upsetting to see. Bareback jumping on such a small pony compared to rider. Shocking, shocking , shocking.

The legs aren't an issue. There's no welfare problem with riding a horse with your feet nearly touching the floor. In fact it distributes weight really well and creates great balance in the rider.

The issue is the weight, and that pony is really struggling.

If you are x stone, controlling your weight and actively balancing, you will feel like x stone.

If you are x stone and unable to control your weight and not actively balancing, you will feel like y stone (y being heavier than x).

You can feel heavier by being unbalanced and not controlling your weight, you cannot under any circumstances feel lighter unless you are flying above your horse rather than sitting in the saddle.

Ahh of course she's riding bareback 😭 as all those too big for their ponies love to do for some reason. I hate it so much! Sitting/bouncing on ponies' backs bareback somehow makes people think they are superior riders. It's so bad for the ponies' backs. My daughter spent some time at a yard with one of the top junior riders in the country who was also very small and slender and probably weighed next to nothing, yet never rode anything bareback. It's not a sign of good riding to plonk oneself on the ponies' back with no saddle.

Height definitely makes a difference too you cant possibly ride correctly or balance normally if your legs are at the knees and head above the ears Also ‘riding light’ likely only makes a difference in the very short term. At the end of the day the pony is still carrying the weight regardless! I also doubt the pony is even 12.2 considering how large the child looks on it and its size in relation to the fence. Have included pics for comparison of my dd who is taller than the posters dd on a 12.2. It’s a low profile show saddle and stirrups so long in the first she was practically having to reach so included another of the same weekend with more regular length. This was the weekend we said no she’s too big now and she never rode the pony again (was only very occasional by this point anyway). She probably weighed 8 stone max - 4 stone less than OP’s dd. Now around 9 months later she’s grown a few more inches, gained some curves so maybe half stone or so heavier and we are worried she’s not got much longer on her 14.1. She’d not dream of getting on one of those smaller ponies now

In the context of welfare, height isn't an issue for the horse.