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The Sixty-First Republic - Covid the gift that keeps giving even in the last half term!

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StaffRepFeistyClub · 14/06/2021 19:05

You are most welcome to this school staff support thread to get us through stressful times. It is meant for school staff only – a sort of room of requirement for school staff to let off steam.

Baiters, haters, goaders, and bashers can jog on somewhere else.

If you are NOT staff and just have a general education query please start your own thread.

Do not give the staffroom password to non-staff as it attracts the wrong sort of crowd.

Other requirements for staff room entry include the ability to find the staff room, the ability to find a clean mug in the staff room, knowledge of the photocopier codes, and the ability to sniff out where the booze is stashed - Thirsty Tuesdays, Fizz Fridays now in operation. Do not sit on the chairs and do wear a mask. Finally, upload your covid test results twice a week on Wednesdays and Sundays.

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ICanSmellSummerComing · 17/06/2021 23:16

Delta is more transmissible by a long way. Look how Kent v ripped through school in winter, I can't imagine if that had been delta in winter.

Frlrlrubert · 17/06/2021 23:16

We have to Milton the goggles so we're not over egging the need for them (you know like when you make them wear goggles for Hooke's law because they might twang a spring in their eye?).

Actual hydrochloric acid people, actual idiots with pipettes of it stood next to you.

If one more kid refers to me as 'she' in a derogatory tone when I can hear them
I might snap.

JanFebAnyMonth · 17/06/2021 23:34

Delta is only just appearing / being sequenced in mainland Europe.

What’s Chartr, Brie?

Thanks for positive thoughts about DS’s PCR test, all! The timing’s worked out nicely at least because he’d normally be at my ex’s tonight but unusually is at mine, which I’m glad of for purposes of a) spotting that he needed a test, b) coddling him and c) if he’s positive, he stays firmly here, thank you very much!

DreamingofBrie · 17/06/2021 23:45

Jan,

It's a data storytelling site, quite US focused, but I like it to put something interesting or topical on the department Twitter feed sometimes. The website is here www.chartr.co/, I just sign up for the weekly email though.

Another one which is lovely is Information is Beautiful informationisbeautiful.net/

I love a good graph, me Grin.

DreamingofBrie · 17/06/2021 23:47

Their "beautiful news" page is good to read:

informationisbeautiful.net/beautifulnews/

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 17/06/2021 23:49

I love information is beautiful.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 17/06/2021 23:51

FFS. No idea what's going on outside, but I'm missing pubs being shut already.

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2021 00:02

I've started watching season 2 of The Circle US on Netflix which is thoroughly entertaining and now I want to hashtag and emoji all over the place.

#teachergang #republic4eva ❤️ ❤️ 💪

No. Lessons. Tomorrow. Shock

SquashedFlyBiscuits · 18/06/2021 00:59

Negative result just in. Phew!

DreamingofBrie · 18/06/2021 01:07

@SquashedFlyBiscuits

Negative result just in. Phew!
👍👍👍
MsAwesomeDragon · 18/06/2021 05:40

@SquashedFlyBiscuits

Negative result just in. Phew!
Yay!!!!!
ChloeDecker · 18/06/2021 06:15

Shocking behaviour on the walk to the lab. And complete over excitement once we are actually in the lab.

My experience too. It only since we have been back since March that our Year 7s have been allowed to go to a computer room for my lessons and they always arrive late because they just have no concept of moving around the school to get to their lessons and because they are not in their form room for something, their behaviour is just awful (although they are pretty ‘entitled’ in their own form room to teachers too). It doesn’t help that they haven’t experienced detentions yet.

They just can’t shut up and listen basically and are gobby back when asked to stop. I’ve had to resort to some tactics I haven’t used since the early 2000s (such as merit bribes for paying attention when I put my hand up etc.)
They. Are. Just. Too. Exhausting.

DanglingMod · 18/06/2021 06:39

Gosh, I'm so glad we've had movement around school all through. Not only does it sound exhausting for staff to move to the students, the impact on behaviour sounds terrible as well as the reduced offer to the kids. Ours have had full use of all the facilities all the way through (a few tweaks like carousel of food and other tech so equipment wasn't shared between bubbles daily but a half term at a time. )

The only impact on behaviour we've seen has been a) post each school closure they don't actual know how to listen any more and other annoyances b) split breaks means the year 7s haven't met the older ones and are braver than they would otherwise have been.

I am on my knees now and I a) had no exams classes and b) have been firmly ensconced in one room all year. I have no idea how the rest of you have done it.

DanglingMod · 18/06/2021 06:41

Full normal detention system, too (made trickier by split breaks, of course).

No moving kids to other year group classrooms, though. That's made behaviour management harder.

Iamnotthe1 · 18/06/2021 06:50

The fact that the delta variant has reached that level of spread and that high of an R number despite the level of vaccination in the country making a significant proportion of adults unviable hosts is shocking.

If this variant had been the original virus, we'd have been absolutely screwed.

DanglingMod · 18/06/2021 07:23

It's not even bearable to think about the death rate if we'd not been vaccinated, is it?

Piggywaspushed · 18/06/2021 07:26

Those of you who were interested in the sexual bullying/harassment stuff have a look at the AIBU thread about bullying. Apparently a 15 yo girl should laugh things off toughen up, or even be flattered.

God, I hope those posters are trolls.

TheHoneyBadger · 18/06/2021 08:24

Just checking in. TFIF.

Busy day today. Hope everyone has a good one.

JanFebAnyMonth · 18/06/2021 08:39

Telegraph headline saying 60% of school LFTs come back as negative from PCRs (Altho it turns out that was in the week of return in March, now it’s half of that rate. Have just posted full article on Data (hoping someone there will analyse as this sounds very different from the general false positive rates) will try and do same here. Carl Henegan quoted.....

But at least it has Andrew Pollard of the JCVI saying maybe we should vaccinate children to stop the bubbles bursting!

Piggywaspushed · 18/06/2021 08:41

It is certainly not 60% in my school. Better than that. But I guess the MTU may show their own lack of faith in the LFTs.

JanFebAnyMonth · 18/06/2021 08:58

I don’t understand how they’ve got to 60%, on Data there was lots of analysis of the false positive rate and it wasn’t anything like as high as that. And surely it can’t be that school rates were “hidden” by general pop rates because, certainly in that return week, the vast majority of LFTs were from schools?!

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 18/06/2021 09:04

The false negative rate on the PCR East’s is still quite high.

The problem is likely to be people assuming that +ve LFT and -ve PCR PCR = false positive LFT

Statistically it’s far more likely that +ve LFT and -ve PCR = false negative PCR.

thecatfromjapan · 18/06/2021 09:08

@Piggywaspushed

Those of you who were interested in the sexual bullying/harassment stuff have a look at the AIBU thread about bullying. Apparently a 15 yo girl should laugh things off toughen up, or even be flattered.

God, I hope those posters are trolls.

I saw that. Grim.
Mistressiggi · 18/06/2021 09:31

Shit Rafals, I was speaking to a pupil yesterday who had come back from isolating as her contact had tested negative on pcr after positive on lft.

JanFebAnyMonth · 18/06/2021 10:12

Oh yes Rafa. Here’s the full Telegraph article:

Covid testing in schools is hugely disruptive and should be suspended, experts have said, as it emerged that up to 60 per cent of "positive" tests a week are coming back negative when checked.

Under plans to keep schools open, more than 50 million lateral flow tests have been carried out on youngsters, leading to thousands of pupils and their social bubbles being forced to self-isolate for 10 days.

But an analysis of NHS Test and Trace data by The Telegraph shows that, in secondary schools, one-third of lateral flow tests checked against the gold-standard Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test have come back negative. In one week in March, that rose to 60 per cent.

In an interview with The Telegraph, Prof Sir Andrew Pollard, who led the Oxford vaccine programme, warned that mass testing was leading to such huge disruption in schools that it may be worth vaccinating youngsters to stop the chaos.

"If children are not severely affected, if they're not major drivers of transmission, the testing itself is picking up lots of cases – causing classes to be sent home and so on – we've got to get to a point where we're not impacting on education," he said. "And I think that impact on education could be a reason for vaccination.

"If children aren't very much affected, then the testing is obviously not protecting them as they're not very affected. So is the testing being done to protect other people?"

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is deciding whether to recommend jabs for children amid fears that the risks may outweigh the benefits.

Children and teenagers have been disproportionately impacted by measures to control the pandemic despite being largely unaffected by the virus.

Many have seen exams cancelled and been forced to homeschool for months, putting their mental health and socialisation at risk.

On Thursday, 23 British academics from universities including Oxford, Cambridge and University College London wrote to Gavin Williamson, the Education Secretary, to warn that lateral flow testing posed a danger for schools.

They are concerned that ongoing contact tracing trials could spark a wave of new infections and have called for them to be suspended.

Currently, 170 schools and colleges across England are taking part in the trials, in which students no longer need to self-isolate when a close contact tests positive if they test negative themselves using a lateral flow test.

But there have been concerns that as well as throwing up false positives, lateral flow devices miss large numbers of true positives. A pilot in Liverpool last year found they failed to spot positive cases around 50 per cent of the time

The letter, published in the BMJ, reads: "It is undisputed that lateral flow tests (LFDs) cannot detect the lower levels of virus among individuals in early infection. There is a high chance that infected contacts in a classroom may be infectious before they are detected as positive by a LFD test."

The scientists said they were also concerned that the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) had recently banned the Innova lateral flow test currently being used in schools, citing risk to health and "further spread of the virus". The FDA also said Innova had not provided evidence for efficacy of the tests.

On Thursday, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said it had reassessed the Innova test following the FDA ban and had extended approval until August this year.

Graeme Tunbridge, the MHRA Director of Devices, said: "We have now concluded our review of the risk assessment and are satisfied that no further action is necessary or advisable at this time."

However, the Royal Statistical Society (RSS) warned that the regulator's assessment of test safety needed to extend beyond physical safety to the consequences of false positives and false negatives for those tested, saying in a report: "The full range of consequences, from liberalised behaviour to deprivation of liberty, should be considered."

Analysis by The Telegraph shows that lateral flow tests are giving large numbers of false positives, leading to needless disruption in classrooms and beyond.

Around 19,000 infections were picked up by lateral flow devices in secondary school pupils between March and June – but despite new guidelines saying cases must be confirmed with a PCR test, only half were actually checked.

Of the 9,546 checked, nearly one third came back negative – meaning almost 3,000 tests had to be removed from the daily reported figures. In June alone, more than 2,000 positive tests were quietly erased from the daily government dashboard, primarily because of problems with lateral flow testing.

The percentage of tests coming back negative in secondary schools reached 60 per cent in the week of March 4 to March 10, when 379 of the 624 positive tests were found to be wrong. It has since fallen to around one third.

If the negative rate holds true for the 9,500 unchecked tests, it suggests thousands more should be removed from the daily figures.

Experts warned that false positives not only caused disruption in schools but also made tracking the pandemic much harder.

Prof Carl Heneghan, the director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: "What concerns me here is the idea that we are picking up such high numbers of false positives with lateral flow. And there seems to be a growing strategy of just using lateral flow for testing.

"It means we are getting a problem of inaccurate data. In evidence-based medicine we call this a problem of noise, and it's difficult to see what is really going on amid this noise. At this point I would be ignoring lateral flow testing and be focusing on PCR positivity to get a true picture of the pandemic, and that shows cases are only going up in small incremental measures."

A spokesman for the Department for Education said daily contact testing as a replacement for self-isolation would be reviewed at the end of June. The Department of Health was contacted for comment.

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