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Scumble · 2020-12-20T16:27:03+00:00

Where the dickens has it gone? Is it gone gone? Has it been renamed and I just can't find it?

Neededabreak · 22/01/2021 16:59

[quote staymotivated]@Florianus gutted you've been evicted and I reiterate, I wonder how many people on the site know this as you were indeed a very popular poster. This news puts the new website in an extremely bad light.
@Neededabreak has thoughts of creating an alternative site, so let's hope we get something definitive on that in a few months when people have had a chance to see how this new website works. If you can be outed for doing nothing serious, then others are right, there will be no one there soon. I thought you had to say something really extremist or be seriously offensive to others, to get outed. It appears not to be the case which is a serious cause for concern.[/quote]
I just saw this and have not read back so am not sure what the issue is but in relation to the network for teachers, we are still actively working on it, it is fairly unique as I have said and we are focusing particularly the user friendly bit which means that it should be as accessible as possible, I would add that the idea is that I do not actually moderate it myself so there should be few issues with that, although to be honest my memory for posters is shocking. There will be t&c's obviously and for user protection they will need to be adhered to although I think if we ask people to subscribe they are sharing responsibility for their posts and as we are aiming for a genuine closed yet fair, responsible and professional community there should be some element of trust in the first instance. Teachers/educationalists need to have an area specifically for them where they can raise educational issues and seek support from others as well as relax in good company.

I am toying with the idea of some sort of contributor arrangement where people from the most active educational threads (amongst others) are offered the opportunity to summarise the thread in an article published on the home page each week/fortnight this would be fairly unique I think as it won't be an editor deciding what we are interested in ... does that make sense?

Again any other ideas would be gratefully received.

PriscillaChinchilla · 22/01/2021 17:17

Lol.
Old woman in her sixties and Dr Linus are the same person and I claim my fiver.
(Don't ask me to back up my baseless claim with any proof or facts or anything though, because you know, I just can't be arsed and why should I be held to a greater authority?)

Iloveboris · 22/01/2021 17:20

I’ve been banned as well. It’s a very Luvy luvy board where any criticism is not allowed against the inner politburo is frowned upon. It won’t last long with an intolerant attitude like that darlings.

PriscillaChinchilla · 22/01/2021 17:38

I think it'll last fine. Seems like it's thriving to me - certainly a lot busier with more users than Tes Personal was.
They must be doing something right.

Kandahar · 22/01/2021 17:44

@Fadeyushka, sorry to hear your story, but not surprised. I remember you from over a year ago I think, and that you are a Ukrainian immigrant from the 1990s. Do stick around on this forum and hopefully @Needabreak will get this new teaching forum underway. I certainly hope so, as we do need an impartially moderated forum, where all are treated fairly and with respect, as are the views and opinions posted.

Kandahar · 22/01/2021 17:46

@PriscillaChinchilla

I think it'll last fine. Seems like it's thriving to me - certainly a lot busier with more users than Tes Personal was. They must be doing something right.

Well yes, clearly they are doing something right. There is a majority of apparently very happy members of a tight-knit club. Sadly, the bouncers on the door shoot from the hip.

PriscillaChinchilla · 22/01/2021 17:47

Yeah. Life's shit, eh?
Ah well, onwards.

Florianus · 22/01/2021 17:55

[quote Kandahar]@Fadeyushka, sorry to hear your story, but not surprised. I remember you from over a year ago I think, and that you are a Ukrainian immigrant from the 1990s. Do stick around on this forum and hopefully @Needabreak will get this new teaching forum underway. I certainly hope so, as we do need an impartially moderated forum, where all are treated fairly and with respect, as are the views and opinions posted.[/quote]
Well, I'll say good luck to @Needabreak. The Staffroom would have been a nice idea had Emily Strange not wanted to turn it into her own fiefdom. I post in a couple of forums that happily burble along without any moderator. It's when certain people become power hungry and appoint themselves, either in reality or in their imagination, as moderator that trouble breaks out sooner or later.

Weald56 · 22/01/2021 18:03

It really sounds as if some posters here are so upset over the fact that the new forum doesn't accept their form of "debate" which, as shown by Fadeyushka, can mean making statements without intending to back them up. Personally I call that a form of 'trolling'. It certainly spoils discussions and debates (which presumably is the reason.

For example the post that Fadeyushka refers to (Friday 16.45) was a comment on this Tweet by Senator Ted Cruz, erstwhile Trumpist (which had been commented on by another poster): "By rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement, President Biden indicates he’s more interested in the views of the citizens of Paris than in the jobs of the citizens of Pittsburgh. This agreement will do little to affect the climate and will harm the livelihoods of Americans." You quoted it and said: "A lot of truth in that".

Of course that's a point of view you have have every right to hold, but if you state it surely you can (& should) back it up? There were numerous opportunities to do so, but you refused. Simply making a statement supporting something clearly 'fake news' demands explanation? It does for me, certainly. In fact I thought of a few things that COULD be said to defend the awful Cruz (I'm not going to repeat them here), but you couldn't be bothered. Or perhaps your intention was to disrupt, spoil, and not argue? 🤔

As teachers we all know that he best way to stop bad behaviour in a class is to stamp it out sooner rather than later. The suspicions of the moderators (I'm not one, so I am assuming here) was that you - like a few other posters from the old TES boards - were actually out to cause trouble. Personally I can't fault that line of thinking, even though ideally I'd like to see as many 'old names' as possible. But as in any good run class, good behaviour allows more freedoms! 😉

MrMucker · 22/01/2021 18:20

Seems like a better run class on here as I don't see anyone being kicked off of here!

Fadeyushka · 22/01/2021 18:21

@Weald56

It really sounds as if some posters here are so upset over the fact that the new forum doesn't accept their form of "debate" which, as shown by Fadeyushka, can mean making statements without intending to back them up. Personally I call that a form of 'trolling'. It certainly spoils discussions and debates (which presumably is the reason.

For example the post that Fadeyushka refers to (Friday 16.45) was a comment on this Tweet by Senator Ted Cruz, erstwhile Trumpist (which had been commented on by another poster): "By rejoining the Paris Climate Agreement, President Biden indicates he’s more interested in the views of the citizens of Paris than in the jobs of the citizens of Pittsburgh. This agreement will do little to affect the climate and will harm the livelihoods of Americans." You quoted it and said: "A lot of truth in that".

Of course that's a point of view you have have every right to hold, but if you state it surely you can (& should) back it up? There were numerous opportunities to do so, but you refused. Simply making a statement supporting something clearly 'fake news' demands explanation? It does for me, certainly. In fact I thought of a few things that COULD be said to defend the awful Cruz (I'm not going to repeat them here), but you couldn't be bothered. Or perhaps your intention was to disrupt, spoil, and not argue? 🤔

As teachers we all know that he best way to stop bad behaviour in a class is to stamp it out sooner rather than later. The suspicions of the moderators (I'm not one, so I am assuming here) was that you - like a few other posters from the old TES boards - were actually out to cause trouble. Personally I can't fault that line of thinking, even though ideally I'd like to see as many 'old names' as possible. But as in any good run class, good behaviour allows more freedoms! 😉

This is complete nonsense. I was nothing but polite on several threads. On the one you are discussing here, I gave my opinions regarding the Ted Cruz quote: firstly that I distrust large organisations such as the UN and the IPCC (the Paris agreement), and secondly that it might well be the American citizens of Pittsburgh trying to earn an honest living making steel parts for wind turbines whose livelihood is destroyed.

I was involved in a lovely discussion with Mathsteach2 about free de-schooling society, and offered poor old Red Observer some kind advice when he was feeling down.

I was intimidated by 2 or 3 posters on the first thread, finally ending with Emily Strange popping up with this patronising post: "That's absolutely not how things work here. Debates and conversations, not dropping opinions in then refusing to engage. "
I think she'd been alerted by those who took umbrage with me earlier. For some reason people were suggesting I am someone called Vince, despite me having said that I am of the female sex earlier on.

So Weald56, maybe read back and consider what actually happened on that thread. I have been on many internet forums in Russia, Germany and England and never had this level of micro-management from the moderators and other posters.

Weald56 · 22/01/2021 18:21

@MrMucker

Seems like a better run class on here as I don't see anyone being kicked off of here!

In that case you are posting in the right place. 'Horses for courses' etc.

ilovesooty · 22/01/2021 18:21

@MrMucker

Seems like a better run class on here as I don't see anyone being kicked off of here!

Of course people get banned from here if they breach the Talk Guidelines.

staymotivated · 22/01/2021 18:21

@Florianus I apologise again for the way you have been treated because I honestly thought only the 'baddies' were thrown out and you are far from it. Your being ousted signifies there is something wrong and I am more determined now to see an alternative teachers website. I questioned before, when @Neededabreak proposed a teachers' website, who moderates the moderators and their reesponse was getting paid moderators in, who would, hopefully be impartial and let's hope, tell people what wrongdoings they have done, give them a warning, rather than oust them, leaving them wondering for the rest of their lives what it could have been.
@Fadeyushka apologises too. I am hearing of this for the first time today and it has sullied my opinion of the site.

Let's hope we can keep this thread open and open another one, as suggested, until another teachers site becomes available.

Weald56 · 22/01/2021 18:34

Trying to quote a post with a quote in it doesn't seem possible, so I'll have to reply to @Fadeyushka like this:

"This is complete nonsense. I was nothing but polite on several threads. On the one you are discussing here, I gave my opinions regarding the Ted Cruz quote: firstly that I distrust large organisations such as the UN and the IPCC (the Paris agreement), and secondly that it might well be the American citizens of Pittsburgh trying to earn an honest living making steel parts for wind turbines whose livelihood is destroyed".

In your replies to those who challenged you re: your support for Cruz - and there were a fair number I saw - you didn't say the above. If you said it elsewhere (perhaps on another thread?) you surely should have quoted it, or repeated it?

"I was involved in a lovely discussion with Mathsteach2 about free de-schooling society, and offered poor old Red Observer some kind advice when he was feeling down".

Great. (And I mean that sincerely). But those posts were not in question.

"I was intimidated by 2 or 3 posters on the first thread, finally ending with Emily Strange popping up with this patronising post: "That's absolutely not how things work here. Debates and conversations, not dropping opinions in then refusing to engage. "
I think she'd been alerted by those who took umbrage with me earlier. For some reason people were suggesting I am someone called Vince, despite me having said that I am of the female sex earlier on".

Your user name here (& there) is not known to me, nor did I complain about you or report you. But the name 'Vince' does ring bells.

"So Weald56, maybe read back and consider what actually happened on that thread. I have been on many internet forums in Russia, Germany and England and never had this level of micro-management from the moderators and other posters".

I have said I am sorry if anyone is excluded from participation, but I am very glad it's not my responsibility to make those decisions.

I have tried here to explain it for those here who cannot/don't want to join the other forum, but please understand this is a personal view (I am not speaking for or on behalf of the administrators there).

WTAFIhavelosttheferret · 22/01/2021 18:37

@SantaAssociationRepresentitve

I think TES also lost its way when it came to selling resources. If you looked hard enough some resources were free and someone else trying to sell the same resource for a couple of quid. I hated it when people were/are clearly ripping off other peoples or exam board work and charging for it.

That really annoys me- I give all of my work away free of charge and so often then find it behind a paywall (TES), where you have to given email (private education company), shared with hundreds of schools at a conference as their own (NLE) or put on The Key (I know who you are- there is no hiding).

staymotivated · 22/01/2021 18:37

@Fadeyushka the only person that reminds me of Vince Ulam is Dr Linus. You don't sound a bit like him at all.
@Weald56, any idea why @Florianus was ousted?
@Neededabreak glad to hear you are still at it, i.e. looking to set up an alternative website.

Fadeyushka · 22/01/2021 18:41

@Weald56

Trying to quote a post with a quote in it doesn't seem possible, so I'll have to reply to *@Fadeyushka* like this: