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NeurotrashWarrior · 12/05/2020 20:46

We also have many shit, cramped school buildings as the tories bashed the "building schools for the future" programme on it's head when they got in.

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/05/2020 20:47

And sold off all the playing fields.

BertNErnie · 12/05/2020 20:47

We are beginning to put plans together.

We won't be able to offer breakfast or after school club as we can't keep the children apart (we have a mix of pupils in both).

In order to have classes so a max of 15, we won't be able to off we full time provision for all pupils. In order to make it fair, we will have to limit the days and time each group are in school.

Our key worker provision will also have to change as we currently offer breakfast and after school club provision but these members of staff will be needed to take smaller groups.

We will make it work because we have to but it will be very different.

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BertNErnie · 12/05/2020 20:48

@NeurotrashWarrior I also think your school will probably be able to make it work but it won't be what we all left behind in June, that's for sure.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 12/05/2020 20:49

entirely dodgy - entirely different

Also, the tories totally devolved education so there's very little continuity of curriculum or leadership across the country. If we were still well organised under the LEAs and central govt this would be a fuck of a lot easier. But we aren't.

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/05/2020 20:51

Yes they will, as we are a sen school so many of our our pupils need to be in ASAP. At the same time it must be safe for all.

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/05/2020 20:54

Sorry, I get annoyed when comparisons to otter counties are made. It's like comparing health systems.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 12/05/2020 20:55

Absolutely we are not comparing like with like. Scandinavian countries seem to be able to fund their education sector whereas in the UK our budgets amount to diddly squat. We cant even supply our kids with a textbook each. Classrooms are cramped because class sizes have grown.

@Easilyanxious - we really want to make it work

#solidaritycomrades

BertNErnie · 12/05/2020 21:15

I forgot to say we are planning but in all honesty I fully expect the government to decide on 28th May that the plan for schools to reopen has been scrapped due to either the rise in the R rate or due to the fact that the reality of what they are asking schools to do means we will prob be offering pupils 2 days face to face contact per week. Oh, or because we have no staff to cover all classes.

Who knows.

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BertNErnie · 12/05/2020 21:17

I also realised the message before was to the wrong person! I meant @Easilyanxious

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Easilyanxious · 12/05/2020 21:32

@BertNErnie don’t expect it will be the same , unfortunately will be a long time before anything is back to normal .
Teachers etc can only do there best
I don’t envy them that’s for sure

Easilyanxious · 12/05/2020 21:35

@Neutotrash must be lucky where we are then as 2 new primaries have been built in the last couple years with another one due , minimum and hopefully possibility of a secondary in future

NeurotrashWarrior · 12/05/2020 21:51

Easily, councils have had to do what they can where they can; certainly a lot of school land has been sold off to enable those plans and other juggling about. The previous programme was centrally funded and huge delays in new school buildings occurred as a result, and then austerity kicked in.

Anyway, a move to copying the features of other countries' schools systems can't be bad especially if it's the Nordic systems.

Namenic · 13/05/2020 04:18

With reference to other countries - I’m not sure we have examples of countries going back with UK rates of infections and deaths? Surely better to wait until rates aren’t comparable to Denmark?

SansaSnark · 13/05/2020 09:40

Our key worker provision will also have to change as we currently offer breakfast and after school club provision but these members of staff will be needed to take smaller groups.

This is actually a big concern, I think and one that needs to be highlighted more widely. In my MAT, we're currently offering flexible provision from 8-5, so a parent can drop off at 8 and pick up at 1, if they wanted to, or drop off at 9.45 and pick up at 4.30, or whatever suits them and their working pattern.

If this provision is reduced, it will impact the ability of some of the parents who work for the NHS or as carers to work, or it will mean some of the older children potentially being left at home alone for longer periods.

cantkeepawayforever · 13/05/2020 11:21

I would agree, Namenic.

Rather than saying 'we're declining from peak, so it's OK', we should be looking at the absolute numbers of new cases and deaths in the countries where re-opening of schools has started, and then align our own approach to that.

What was the daily death toll and number of new infections in Germany on the day schools re-opened? What was the equivalent data for Denmark?

If we want 'the Danish approach, we need it IN FULL - death rates and new infection rates at the same level, schools less than half full throughout, same minimum age of children. Groups of 10, not 16 (half class + teacher). Washing stations in playgrounds. Consideration of not opening schools where holding most classes outside can't be achieved.

phlebasconsidered · 13/05/2020 11:25

It's also going to have a knock on effect for keyworker provision in secondary. 3 of my friends and myself will all be going back to work and we will all need to send our kids to the same secondary - an extra 9 kids. And that's just a few I know of. There's only one catchment secondary in my rural area and tons of small primaries with teachers now about to go back. They have been sending a minibus for the keyworkers but now it will have to be a large coach, i'd imagine.

Lord alone knows how we are going to get our bussed in kids into school. They come from some far flung droves and fens. I think the government imagine all primary school kids walk to school but that just isn't the case.

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 13/05/2020 11:33

I think some posters have wandered into the staffroom by mistake.

Mistressiggi · 13/05/2020 11:37

What is it they do they do in feminism when some troll comes in? Discuss breakfast or something?

StaffAssociationRepresentative · 13/05/2020 11:48

I have just had a filter coffee with a homemade chocolate brownie. Now I need to crack on teaching year 10

#solidarity

cantkeepawayforever · 13/05/2020 11:51

(Seeing photographs of public transport, and low incidence of mask wearing even in tube carriages without social distancing, I think the first stages of 'unlocking' may create enough of a threat to R and enough of an upturn in new cases, that June 1st may be significantly delayed, at least in large cities)

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/05/2020 11:54

Yes mis, but we got told off a lot for that Grin

Grey rock was the other method and not getting dragged into a debate.

LoisSangerAteMyHamster · 13/05/2020 12:22

Hot weetabix with bananas.

Yum.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/05/2020 12:27

We've made chocolate cake this morning.

Piggywaspushed · 13/05/2020 12:47

Are the keyworker provisions and wrap around care even mentioned in the doc?

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