Gav calls for Silent Corridors - School Behaviour Squad Assembled

[noblegiraffe]

Gavin Williamson made a speech today praising strict schools that don’t let kids piss about in lessons (you’d think this’d be fairly standard, but, y’know, Dix) and have silent corridors.

A new £10 million behaviour task force is being assembled led by Tom Bennett and will work to tackle this on a national level. Not sure how this will have any more impact than his behaviour report that appeared to make fuck-all difference though.

What would be lovely is if he could say ‘centralised detentions are a non-negotiable to be implemented immediately’. But I suspect not.

NEU are not happy, obvs.

schoolsweek.co.uk/williamson-calls-for-silent-corridors-and-banned-mobiles-to-be-the-norm/

I think, as parent, that you can expect to be addressed it you choose to target a teacher in the staffroom.

as A parent

Finally- there's no shame at all in parents of NT children worrying about the disruption in classrooms from under supported SEN pupils. That is a valid concern too, funding cuts affect all pupils. Inclusion has failed all pupils at times, saying that you are concerned about any child isn't ableist is called being a parent.

I didn't say you don't care. I said you don't post about it much. You do post about behaviour a lot you've got to admit it.

Maybe I'm wrong for assuming because you post about it a lot, and you seem quite hard line about it, that you think it's what matters most of all, and I'm sorry if that's not the case.

I am not blaming teachers! I haven't at any point blamed a teacher. I am blaming zero tolerance behaviour policies.

You have - here:

But noble you never talk about SEN funding and provison on here. You are all about the strict behaviour policies. You can forgive people for assuming you think this all that matters

But mun this causes problems when up for discussion is behaviour outside of lessons. Of course, all teachers are alert to changed behaviour in lessons, even in secondary. But in a corridor we can't identify one child from another. I think that's where very clear rules in corridors help.

I honestly think a very loud environment is more stressful to more people than a very quiet one. I would say that SN pupils maintain silence during GCSE exams. They may well have exam concessions , of course. Just like the vast majority of teachers outside of certain schools have lesson concessions!

Although if anyone has anything practical to suggest to stop one boy continuously swinging in his chair do advise!

Teachers post a lot here, in great frustration, about policies implemented that we don't agree with. We are allowed to have somewhere to post and complain and discuss. I don't post about my parenting experiences here, because I don't want to, I want to have somewhere to talk about the pressure, frustration and madness of it! We have parental pressure, opinion, complaints and take it all on the chin day in and day out. Nobody is saying don't have an opinion, don't fight for your child but I beg of you allow teachers to have some space to discuss and direct your dissatisfaction at the powers that be because believe you me we do not run our hands with glee at all the new policies but we have to try and do our job.

Feenie do you have comprehension difficulties? What am I BLAMING noble for there? Her posting style?

Although if anyone has anything practical to suggest to stop one boy continuously swinging in his chair do advise!

That's quickly solved by taking the chair away for a few minutes!

If you find that magic answer for the chair swinging I'll have that too!!
Also agree for how to pick up on behaviours in playground....
I have taught in primaries and secondaries in both England and Scotland and I know the pressure exist in all, in different ways.
I guess in some of these posts I am just thinking out loud and hoping t pick up some tips from other replies.

Apologies too, I have inadvertently derailed from the topic of behaviour outside the classroom.

I have no comprehension difficulties - for example, I comprehend that you are targeting Noble. Take your axe somewhere else please.

iamnotokaywiththis
I am not blaming teachers! I haven't at any point blamed a teacher. I am blaming zero tolerance behaviour policies

You have said

Teachers like you

Sounds like bashing to me.

Iamnotokaywiththis don't you dare call people out for rudeness and then suggest, when you are complaining about SEN being ignored, that a fellow poster has "comprehension difficulties" I imagine you would haul a teacher over the coals if they used this phrase when talking to your child.

Can you imagine the furore on MN about my abusive behaviour if I did feenie?! Same child always forgets or breaks pens. Perfectly lovely boy . Just needs to mature a bit! I have a plan to move him to a cramped corner next week. But then he loses his spot next to me where he gets help, attention ( he's weak academically), and a pen...

iamnotokaywiththis

Who do you think supplies the pens for these children that "forget" them?

I will give you a clue, Its not the school.

And just as an "amusing" point, I've had parents ring up and complain that the pen that I bought and supplied wasn't the right type of pen and that was why their child broke it

The two staffroom lead topics guaranteed to get picked up by non teachers : working hours/ workload and behaviour. Not very much external interest on the other posts currently active on staffroom.

Munxx well I'm sure she was deliberately misreading my posts to have a go, but it's always best to check.

Well to stereotype right back I'll do a head tilt and say "ah you're one of those parents". Really there's no engaging with responses like that and I hope you are more civil to people in the flesh. I have tried to defend my profession politely and give advice that you could use to change the situation for your children but it would seem you really are just out for a fight. You've changed your victim from giraffe to Feenie which again suggests you really just want a punching bag.

You don't need to defend your professional because, despite common misconception, I'm not actually having a go at teachers. I AM having a go at rude posters or are laying into me. But that's different.

You do post about behaviour a lot

Lots of teachers are really, seriously worried about poor behaviour and the impact that has on all the children in their care. I left the state sector because of it. So, yeah, it's gonna come up a lot on a section of the forum which is specifically for teachers.

As far as the "quiet corridors" thing goes - I'm a huge fan. The vast majority of children are more able to learn if they are calm rather than hyped up. Letting off steam should be happening at break / lunch / after school. Our longest period without a proper break is 2 hours - the average length of a film, and the vast majority of secondary age pupils can go that long without pushing, tripping, or screaming at their mates.

Silent corridors, on the other hand, are most definitely not for me. That feels like a step too far. Though I'd have loved it when I was at school.

One thing about a properly implemented strict behaviour policy - it cuts out the majority of "low level" disruption, which means that those who genuinely can't follow standard rules tend to get noticed earlier and (because teachers spend less time dealing with poor behaviour) there is more time and resources available to properly support those pupils.

I agree with you parrot but do worry the support, funding, expertise etc isn't enough, even if teachers are freed up from dealing with the other stuff. And I worry that by the time you have identified those children that can't follow policy, their mental health will be in tatters from being constantly penalised for stuff they can't help, and then your job will be even harder, as anxious children are even harder to engage.

I think the biggest issue is schools which set themselves as zero tolerance for pen forgetting and chatting in class can quickly find they have nowhere left to go once behaviour ramps up.

So, Child A forgets homework and misses the detention that night. They then have a two hour detention as a consequence. If they miss that they have a day in isolation.

Meanwhile, Child B tells a member of staff to fuck off, stomps off in a huff, hides in the toilets and eventually is found - and is sent to isolation, to sit alongside Child A. When they decide they don't want to be there and start pissing about, the only option is exclusion

Just saw this thread. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3835692-A-big-hoohah-locally-about-kids-being-kicked-off-the-bus-for-bad-behaviour

Parents not wanting their kid to face consequences for poor behaviour isn’t just school issue.

Be careful noble you don't want to be accused of attacking parents now