Misogynist Jeremy Clarkson gets his comeuppance… but what can be done about the thousands of other Meghan/confident-woman haters?

Maybe it's because there are posters defending her past decisions, so the debate about her past decisions continues? It remains an on-going debate.

Where everyone agrees (Andrew) there is nothing to discuss?

There would be nothing to defend if people didn’t keep on criticising her long past the time that she’s done anything that you could possibly criticise her for.

Why bring up her past decisions? Endlessly? Is it because she is quiet? We've had the wedding again on MN, it's over 5 years ago, it's like groundhog day!! Why is the wedding an ongoing debate? Detractors are the ones bringing it up. Not us. So not ongoing in the slightest. She isn't doing anything for you to discuss and you can't give up this weird habit of Meghan bashing.

When will enough be enough for you on Meghan? When something tragic happens, or what? It's all been discussed endlessly but to keep on pulling her down when she is supposedly doing what you want (keeping quiet) why can't posters accept that?

@Morestrangerthings is right to ask the question.

Poor woman, all these people who want her to go away, but are desperate for her to show her face, speak or do something so they can start 3 threads and spend hours dissecting and criticising her.

The more posters do it, the more sympathy I have for her. She's gone up even more in my estimation, given what she has to put up with.

The recent discussions were started by the 'near-catastrophic' car chase that wasn't.

Maybe my theory is completely wrong, but we'll only know if you stop posting, and I doubt you'll do that. But both 'sides' are equally involved in these threads.

I don't start threads on them. So, if there are threads about Meghan or Harry, we shouldn't push back and post if we disagree, is that what you're saying?
Free rein to criticise them as much as you want...

There are 8 threads on them that are designed to criticise that are current or posted on within the last few days. Are you suggesting those that don't agree should keep away?

For the last time.

This thread is about JCs article and misogyny.

Meghan’s past decisions did not and do not warrant it.

Seriously.

I don't know, I never read media anymore as its so inaccurate.

All I do think though is I wish she would go back into acting. Everyone ripped her apart in a few articles, but I started watching suits on Netflix and thought it was fabulous 😂

Whether I like her or not.. don't care.. but I would really like to watch her in some movies because I thought she was great. She should definitely get back into it.

He brought himself to my attention by an unprofessional 15 minutes of fame rant. That's it. I'm not interested in knowing more about this man. And I'm sure there will be many who feel the same

I'm assuming you mean Bill Simmons? The highly successful builder of podcast networks and creator of a sports media company? Who know the podcast business inside out, and has an excellent reputation as a businessman, who knows the podcast business inside out?

I hope there are not many more who don't want to know the sources of comments. It's usually held to be a good thing to understand sources

You presume right.

What a faux pas from him. Insulting a client/customer in a rant. Not good.

Whatever his 'credentials' he let himself down.

He gets paid for giving his opinions. I doubt it will affect his business or brand.

I suspect @Roussette that that’s exactly what she’s saying - there would be no thread upon thread being critical of H&M if people didn’t push back against them. As a frequenter of this board I very much disagree with her assessment. I took a break from posting on this board after what happened in New York because there was a very ugly and unchallenged streak of absolute malice from many posters here - I notice many of the H&M defenders did the same (may not have been for the same reasons). The posts and threads about H&M continued unabated.

No, it's not what I'm saying. Post what you want, as much as you want. And other posters with other opinions will do that as well.

My point is that these threads keep running because people post on them, and that includes the people defending Harry and Meghan as well as those criticising them.

You are so right.

There was a week or two when those who aren't anti H&M didn't post. The threads continued with a vengeance (with questioning as to where we all were). If anything the threads increased but they were very boring with a lot of patting on the back and laughing emojis for all the new insults for H&M thought up, a big bonding session for detractors and filled with never ending raking up of old news to keep them going.
It never stopped.

Looking back at my last few posts on this thread, for example, they have been in response to @skullbabe and @Roussette . There's nothing much to add about the initial post that hasn't already been said.

Oh, they're real credentials, not "credentials"

He's a huge figure in US podcast networks and some other broadcasting Mainly as a CEO (not just as a broadcaster himself, though of course he's fairly prolific in that too). People might not like his style, and of course they don't have to care about his standing.

Others reading this thread might be interested to know about his standing and importance in the US broadcasting and specifically podcasting world, and why his opinion is not (generally) being dismissed

Haha... well, there's nothing much to say on the three days before wedding 6 years ago, but that doesn't stop posters banging on about it for very many posts within the last few days!

Or anything that has been done to death and will continue to be done to death.

I do consume a fair bit of US media and must admit that I did not know of Bill Simmons before he said what he said but in listening to bits of his podcasts - it’s because I’m not really at all into sports. However I note his persona in these and in reading about him - he is very opinionated and can be bombastic. It has gotten him in trouble before but he has always landed on his feet. As it is, he was a guest on someone else’s show and went off as he did. He has subsequently said nothing and made not comments even when door stepped by press and continues his own show unabated. He absolutely will be fine. Doesn’t mean what he did wasn’t unprofessional but that’s the at of the world.

I don't understand why that upsets you?

From what I understand you believe that the criticism they get stems from misogyny and racism? And that's why you post here, to oppose that?

I don't understand why disagreeing with a handful of random people on MN does much to tackle misogyny and racism, surely there are more constructive ways to do that?

Alternatively, you post here because you find it entertaining (I do!), in which case why complain about others posting? It provides you with entertainment.

My point is that these threads keep running because people post on them, and that includes the people defending Harry and Meghan as well as those criticising them.

I said that there was a period of time when people who are not against H&M stopped posting on this board. I said that during this period the threads criticising them continued unabated. This runs counter to your claim.

As I have just posted, I don't understand why it upsets you so much?

If it entertains you, post. If it doesn't, don't.

I don't understand why disagreeing with a handful of random people on MN does much to tackle misogyny and racism, surely there are more constructive ways to do that?

These people are our neighbours, our teachers, our children’s friends parents, our nurses, our lawyers, our journalists - and they feel comfortable posting these things under the cloak of anonymity. It is important to ensure that they know that not everyone shares their views and it important for the people who read but don’t post much to know that there a people very much out there who will oppose them even in this very small corner of the internet and they deserve to be here.

Finally - as a black British woman I absolutely deserve to push back against misogyny and racism wherever I see it and you should think about why your instinct to to tell people like me that we should be more constructive by not challenging bullshit when I see it. But you do you. Off to deal with teacher strike mayhem! Toodles.

As a black British woman I feel free to state my opinion as I choose.

As I said, you are free to post whatever you choose. But if your aim is to tackle misogyny and racism then my opinion is that there are more constructive uses of your/my time than posting on MN.

Morestrangerthings · Today 07:19
There would be nothing to defend if people didn’t keep on criticising her long past the time that she’s done anything that you could possibly criticise her for.

Do we apply this to Andrew too? His "bad things" are further in the past than Meghans. Looks like he going to be criticised for the rest of his life.

N.B. I am not defending Andrew. Even if he is entirely innocent of VG's accusations he has always been a pompous idiot, and the Royal Family are better off without him.

Are you quoting me “bad things”. I don’t ever remember writing that Meghan has done “bad things.”?

No, you have criticised posters for posting about her past behaviour (months past, not years past)