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Misogynist Jeremy Clarkson gets his comeuppance… but what can be done about the thousands of other Meghan/confident-woman haters?

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TallerSally · 02/07/2023 16:11

Have you noticed how genuine good news such as the above regarding Meghan often gets overlooked, while haters fall over themselves to create content from every tidbit non-event which can be spun as bad news? The Meghannilation pile-ons are ferocious and unrelenting, seeking to destroy the woman and perhaps end her life, while making money from clicks and views along the way. Every has-been and non-entity seeking to raise their sagging or non-existent profile (Mia Farrow? Chris Rock? Millie Mackintosh? random Spotify exec? Z-list YouTuber?) just has to find some creative insult for Meghan like “grifter”, and it’s days of front pages guaranteed. And not just in the UK’s tabloids, the broadsheets frequently jump in on it too. JC (not Jesus Christ)’s one article got slapped down, no small thanks to 25000+ principled residents of our nation who sent complaints to IPSO, the 64 cross-party MPs who signed a letter of protest, and the two charities who were signatories to the official IPSO complaint. At least there’s a shred of decency, perhaps even empathy, left in public discourse in the UK. Many celebrities get roasted in the British press, but the level of obsessive hatred Meghan faces is unprecedented – the stuff of PhD’s on parallels between media and online mobbing today and public floggings and executions of ancient Rome or medieval times – in that respect JC was inadvertently on to something: Meghan is already being paraded in the streets and excrement thrown at her, only virtually.

Anyway so one misogynist and the media outlet supporting him get their knuckles rapped, but what about the hordes of other armchair tormentors, who from the darkness of their bedrooms bombard the world (well, mostly the UK) with hundreds, perhaps THOUSANDS of Meg-hating articles, blogs, vlogs, Twitter rants, Facebook posts, YouTube or TikTok videos EVERY SINGLE WEEK? The woman has barely said a word or shown her face in public in the past year, yet you’d think it’s her picture on the front pages every week in a different costume, tennis whites, camouflage, bee-keeping suit… (and no doubt soon, space-suit?)

It’s impossible for a body like IPSO to regulate so many haters and platforms they use, yet the impact such intense public vilification has on a person is equivalent to JC’s article to the power of six. What can restore some form of respect for the truth, and basic empathy for a fellow human being and mother, who has committed no crime or spent no time befriending paedophiles?

[Title of thread edited to say Jeremy Clarkson, not Jeremy Clarke]

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Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 20:35

Roussette · 04/07/2023 15:44

@Gracewithoutend You sound really obsessed with this Simmons guy. Why? You must be his biggest cheerleader. When I ask why... I think I know. It's because he knocked H&M so he is now elevated in your eyes into something really special because you are defending him absolutely everywhere.

I don't 'do down his achievements'. I don't know the guy from Adam. However I don't have a high opinion of someone who would slag off a business colleague/customer like he did and if I were looking to do business, I wouldn't be doing it with him. He might be hugely talented, I have no idea... all I know is, he is unprofessional.

I'm not obsessed and I'm not a cheerleader. But when a poster says
What can restore some form of respect for the truth,
and then tell untruths, I can't help myself correcting it.

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 20:45

Iwantcakeeveryday · 04/07/2023 17:04

When a man does something you don't like but you don't know anything about him, when you trash him, you're literally talking out of ignorance. When you're then informed and you still talk trash about him, you're talking out of prejudice.

I don't think having a negative opinion based on his actions is 'trash talking' and I don't think anyone should be exempt from that kind of criticism or negative opinion. It's not prejudice to not have a good opinion of Bill Simmons based on Bill Simmons own actions. I think its rather odd to think any man should be so special that its prejudiced to criticise him. What an odd thing to say. You really seem to think because he sold something for a lot of money he must always be right in every circumstance. He is not a well respected man, despite what you may think, before he made the comments and the comments themselves, to some people, are extremely unprofessional and simple deflection. You cannot tell people here they are prejudiced because they have a different opinion to you on Bill Simmons.

I was talking about the op trash talking not you. (But I think you too might have done so in the past.)
I have never remarked on anyone's opinion of Bill Simmons.
I have remarked on people's lack of knowledge of Bill Simmon's career.
When someone dismisses a person's achievements and knowledge without reason other than because they don't like them, that is prejudice. You believe that's the case with people criticising people you like, ie, Harry and Meghan. But you can't acknowledge it when it's against someone you dislike, ie, Simmons.
Therefore you're no different to people who criticise Harry and Meghan for positive things they've done just because they don't like them.

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 20:56

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Roussette · 04/07/2023 21:24

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You might not need to big him up but you have done and sound like his Agent, totally positive about every bit of him! Had you heard of him before his rant about H&M.?

ILikeDinosaurs · 04/07/2023 21:48

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I'm not attacking anyone, thanks. I can describe someone I don't know as a non-entity because that is what he is to me. Millions of people are non-entities to me, that includes anyone having their tacky 15 minutes. The question is, why does it affect YOU so much? So much that you have to keep on repeating yourself?

Milcar · 04/07/2023 22:02

I'm entering a dragon's den here.

But I think that it is possible that JC's article was appallingly misogynistic, and that Meghan's actions are dubious, are both true.

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 22:04

ILikeDinosaurs · 04/07/2023 21:48

I'm not attacking anyone, thanks. I can describe someone I don't know as a non-entity because that is what he is to me. Millions of people are non-entities to me, that includes anyone having their tacky 15 minutes. The question is, why does it affect YOU so much? So much that you have to keep on repeating yourself?

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If you don't want me to reply to you, why do you keep quoting me and asking me questions?

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 22:07

Roussette · 04/07/2023 21:24

You might not need to big him up but you have done and sound like his Agent, totally positive about every bit of him! Had you heard of him before his rant about H&M.?

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I've stated his achievements. If you think they are big, then I agree with you.
And of course I'd heard of him. You'd never heard of The Ringer?

Roussette · 04/07/2023 22:18

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 22:07

I've stated his achievements. If you think they are big, then I agree with you.
And of course I'd heard of him. You'd never heard of The Ringer?

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I've said I know nothing about him apart from his rant about a client/customer which I thought was very wrong and showed him up. And will probably cause him problems in the future.

No idea about his achievements so I'm not necessarily agreeing with you because I think your reasons for making him out to be the best thing since sliced bread, is because of the rant

skullbabe · 04/07/2023 22:31

But I think that it is possible that JC's article was appallingly misogynistic, and that Meghan's actions are dubious, are both true.

Nothing Meghan has done equals Rose West. Nothing Meghan has done warrants sexual and ritual humiliation. Nothing.

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 22:36

I have not defended him calling them grifters. People are entitled to an opinion on that.

But if people are attacked unfairly, I will stand up for them. The same way I've stood up for you when there was a pile on. Same way I've stood up for Harry and Meghan when people have criticised their charity work.

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 22:36

Roussette · 04/07/2023 22:18

I've said I know nothing about him apart from his rant about a client/customer which I thought was very wrong and showed him up. And will probably cause him problems in the future.

No idea about his achievements so I'm not necessarily agreeing with you because I think your reasons for making him out to be the best thing since sliced bread, is because of the rant

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I have not defended him calling them grifters. People are entitled to an opinion on that.

But if people are attacked unfairly, I will stand up for them. The same way I've stood up for you when there was a pile on. Same way I've stood up for Harry and Meghan when people have criticised their charity work.

ILikeDinosaurs · 04/07/2023 22:48

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 22:04

If you don't want me to reply to you, why do you keep quoting me and asking me questions?

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I've not said that? Anyway, you are doing the same.

Roussette · 04/07/2023 22:53

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 22:36

I have not defended him calling them grifters. People are entitled to an opinion on that.

But if people are attacked unfairly, I will stand up for them. The same way I've stood up for you when there was a pile on. Same way I've stood up for Harry and Meghan when people have criticised their charity work.

Have you? Not being rude, I do not remember you standing up for me when I had a pile on by others
I will go and look when back on my laptop. I apologise that I don't remember that, I really dont but I tend to look at actual posts and not posters names because that's when it gets personal. And often unpleasant

I just cannot understand how you can go all out all over MN for this bloke no one has particularly heard of. Except for his unprofessional rant about H&M. That is what he will be known for, unfortunately for him. Maybe he should have used some discretion

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 23:11

I just cannot understand how you can go all out all overMN for this bloke no one has particularly heard of. Except for his unprofessional rant about H&M. That is what he will be known for, unfortunately for him. Maybe he should have used some discretion.

Again, just because you haven't heard of him, doesn't negate his achievements. It doesn't, as someone else said, make him a non-entity.
You have said before that you don't like what he's said and think he's unprofessional. I have never argued with you over that. People are entitled to make a judgement on that. And if he it affects his career, that's his problem.
But, when people call him a grifter or a non-entity or whatever just because he insulted someone they like, rather than it being based on any fact, that's just wrong.
I'm not that keen on Harry at the moment but I would never diss him for his charity work with Invictus. When people mocked him for speaking at the UN on Mandela Day, I stood up for him. When Archewell gave money to the floods in Nigeria and women in Afghanistan, I applauded them.
It's perfectly possible to not like a person while still respecting their achievements.

PrincessTigger · 04/07/2023 23:37

Milcar · 04/07/2023 22:02

I'm entering a dragon's den here.

But I think that it is possible that JC's article was appallingly misogynistic, and that Meghan's actions are dubious, are both true.

In here you’re not allowed to hold two opinions in your head at the same time, it’s seen as greedy

YourTruthorMine · 04/07/2023 23:53

Milcar · 04/07/2023 22:02

I'm entering a dragon's den here.

But I think that it is possible that JC's article was appallingly misogynistic, and that Meghan's actions are dubious, are both true.

Careful, you'll upset the black and white thinkers !

skullbabe · 05/07/2023 00:04

Too many people are unable to say just that JC was wrong.

Many people on this thread that you may think are “fans” have been critical of H&M - myself included. You cannot however think that anything they have done - especially Meghan - there is nothing she has done that would justify that rhetoric. And the fact that many people cannot understand that is a problem.

Milcar · 05/07/2023 06:20

I agree, nothing she has done deserves what JC wrote.

She has also made dubious decisions that justify criticism.

skullbabe · 05/07/2023 06:38

A man in my part of the uK strangled his wife then his 6 year old then his 4 year old. What he did was absolutely heinous.

His wife made dubious decisions which justify criticism.

Do you see why that last sentence is not necessary unless I’m inferring that his wife’s decisions and his murdering of her (and their poor children) was justified as criticism?

As a side note - this story is haunting me - it’s always men and bloody familicide when it’s the man who is the one who is falling short.

(And no I’m not equating what happened to Meghan as murder. However the inherent misogyny and sexism that drive men who kill their whole families is part of the same coin that views women as sexual conjurers who deserve ritual sexual humiliation and women with agency as deserving to be cut down a peg or two.)

I know you will find a way to say that that article was criticism but it was not at all.

skullbabe · 05/07/2023 06:39

In short JC’s article was not criticism

Morestrangerthings · 05/07/2023 06:41

Absolutely. 2 both your last 2 posts skullbabe.

BadgerB · 05/07/2023 06:42

Milcar · Yesterday 22:02
I'm entering a dragon's den here.

But I think that it is possible that JC's article was appallingly misogynistic, and that Meghan's actions are dubious, are both true.

Sorry, level-headed and sensible won't fly here. The mantra is - H&M; always good; any contra news, invented by tabloids or haterz

Roussette · 05/07/2023 06:59

But, when people call him a grifter or a non-entity or whatever just because he insulted someone they like, rather than it being based on any fact, that's just wrong.

I honestly don't care about his achievements. He brought himself to my attention by an unprofessional 15 minutes of fame rant. That's it. I'm not interested in knowing more about this man. And I'm sure there will be many who feel the same.

Sorry, level-headed and sensible won't fly here. The mantra is - H&M; always good; any contra news, invented by tabloids or haterz

Please don't tell me those that dislike Meghan are level headed and sensible! ?

No, H&M not always good, but she is quiet and has been most of the year but it's some people's lifes work to keep up the momentum of criticism and pulling her down. And that's level headed and sensible?! That's the funniest thing I've read on her for a while!

Morestrangerthings · 05/07/2023 07:02

How much more ‘criticised’ does Meghan have to be to satisfy posters? When will be enough?

She’s been rarely been seen in public in the last 6 months and not said a lot.

When will posters have had their fill of criticising her?