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Misogynist Jeremy Clarkson gets his comeuppance… but what can be done about the thousands of other Meghan/confident-woman haters?

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TallerSally · 02/07/2023 16:11

Have you noticed how genuine good news such as the above regarding Meghan often gets overlooked, while haters fall over themselves to create content from every tidbit non-event which can be spun as bad news? The Meghannilation pile-ons are ferocious and unrelenting, seeking to destroy the woman and perhaps end her life, while making money from clicks and views along the way. Every has-been and non-entity seeking to raise their sagging or non-existent profile (Mia Farrow? Chris Rock? Millie Mackintosh? random Spotify exec? Z-list YouTuber?) just has to find some creative insult for Meghan like “grifter”, and it’s days of front pages guaranteed. And not just in the UK’s tabloids, the broadsheets frequently jump in on it too. JC (not Jesus Christ)’s one article got slapped down, no small thanks to 25000+ principled residents of our nation who sent complaints to IPSO, the 64 cross-party MPs who signed a letter of protest, and the two charities who were signatories to the official IPSO complaint. At least there’s a shred of decency, perhaps even empathy, left in public discourse in the UK. Many celebrities get roasted in the British press, but the level of obsessive hatred Meghan faces is unprecedented – the stuff of PhD’s on parallels between media and online mobbing today and public floggings and executions of ancient Rome or medieval times – in that respect JC was inadvertently on to something: Meghan is already being paraded in the streets and excrement thrown at her, only virtually.

Anyway so one misogynist and the media outlet supporting him get their knuckles rapped, but what about the hordes of other armchair tormentors, who from the darkness of their bedrooms bombard the world (well, mostly the UK) with hundreds, perhaps THOUSANDS of Meg-hating articles, blogs, vlogs, Twitter rants, Facebook posts, YouTube or TikTok videos EVERY SINGLE WEEK? The woman has barely said a word or shown her face in public in the past year, yet you’d think it’s her picture on the front pages every week in a different costume, tennis whites, camouflage, bee-keeping suit… (and no doubt soon, space-suit?)

It’s impossible for a body like IPSO to regulate so many haters and platforms they use, yet the impact such intense public vilification has on a person is equivalent to JC’s article to the power of six. What can restore some form of respect for the truth, and basic empathy for a fellow human being and mother, who has committed no crime or spent no time befriending paedophiles?

[Title of thread edited to say Jeremy Clarkson, not Jeremy Clarke]

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Roussette · 04/07/2023 14:09

derxa · 04/07/2023 14:07

And who can forget the Prince of Pegging insult aimed at PW. But that’s all fine and a bit of a larf

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No it isn't. It's vile

derxa · 04/07/2023 14:19

Roussette · 04/07/2023 14:09

No it isn't. It's vile

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Glad we agree because by extension it slurs women as well. Twitter has a lot to answer for. I presume Meghan has people monitoring the media so she doesn’t have to read the foulness.

IamSTARVING · 04/07/2023 14:24

Gracewithoutend · 02/07/2023 21:05

@TallerSally
Every has-been and non-entity seeking to raise their sagging or non-existent profile (Mia Farrow? Chris Rock? Millie Mackintosh? random Spotify exec? Z-list YouTuber?) just has to find some creative insult for Meghan like “grifter”,

What can restore some form of respect for the truth,

How about you getting your facts right for a start?

Bill Simmons called her and Harry a grifter.
He's not a has-been nor a non-entity. His profile isn't sagging and he doesn't need it raising.
He isn't a random Spotify exec. He sold them a podcast network that he built from the ground for $250m. It's the second podcast network he's built - the first was for that tiny and insignificant broadcaster ESPN. Oh and before that he was one of the most widely read sportswriters across the whole if the USA. And he got headhunted to work for Jimmy Kimmel as one of his writers based on the quality of the columns he wrote.

He not only created 2 podcast networks but he also does podcast broadcasts as well. When spotify bought his network, they gave him a job to carry on running The Ringer podcast network and increase it. Which he has done. He's now tasked with building up the network to cover European sports. And on top of all that, he does 4 podcasts a week.

He's also in the top 40 most influential podcasters. There's not much he doesn't know about podcasting and he's attempted to work with and help Harry. So I guess he knows more about their situation and their attitude to work than you do.

I get your zeal in standing up for Meghan and Harry, I might even acknowledge it's merited, but before you start discrediting other people who have worked hard and are genuinely talented maybe you should do a bit of research of the facts. Because when you talk about restoring respect for the truth maybe it should start with you.

There is another way to look at the Spotify thing in my opinion.

Spotify signed two (very) famous people for a huge, headline grabing amount of money.

Spotify signed two famous people for a huge, headline grabing amount of money who have no experience as broadcasters.

Spotify signed two famous people up for a huge headline grabing amount of money who will, by the nature of who they are, have a limited amount to say on alimited range of topics.

Obviously it will be hard to make a financial return on that. (Unless they make endless podcasts on royal manners, royal dress code, royal horses, royal romps, royal eggs royal mothers, etc.

The big bosses likely said "what the f*&k were you thinking"? People are getting fired - rightly. Money was being thrown around when they already knew the financials were not good.

So yeah - they blame the Sussexs for bad corporate/executive decisions.

Creepyrosemary · 04/07/2023 14:27

Spectre8 · 02/07/2023 20:16

It is quite eyebrow raising when there have been multiple articles of William or Kate out and about and pretty much zero new threads started about them scrutinising ror commenting oneach event, conversely if it had been H or M or both every single event would have seen multiple threads started on here.

Even when these past few weeks even months have been pretty 'quiet' you still see new threads popping up, albeit going back over old stuff.

Some people just love to hate and tear other ppl down and our media and social media fans the flames even further

Sick world we live in

Because there've already been years and years of "waity katey" and "workshy" posts.
And Camilla has been dragged through the mud as well. My mum never stopped talking about Charles and the tampon gate. Not just royalty, people still go on about Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston any time they're single while they've been broken up for two decades or so. Now that Jen is 50ish they finally stop wondering if she's pregnant.

Meghan and Harry are still relatively new, it needs to die down a bit and it doesn't help that they keep going on about it themselves and feeding the fire that way. If they would be quiet then there comes a point where all is said by everyone.

If you don't want gossip and criticism then for gods sake don't become famous.

Creepyrosemary · 04/07/2023 14:28

skullbabe · 02/07/2023 20:28

Every day - there is an article about her regardless of the fact that she has been relatively low profile and silent. Thread after thread going over the same things over and over again. Repeated ways to be needlessly spiteful and give her no quarter. It’s never ending. Give this thread a minute @TallerSally - the Meghan “justified criticism” people will descend soon and find ways to justify the Clarkson’s language rhetoric.

Low profile? They had a netflix series, podcast, her husband wrote a book. That's not a low profile life...

Iwantcakeeveryday · 04/07/2023 14:30

Nobody is saying that insults directed at other royals is fine, or that invading their privacy is fine. Nobody is denying they've all had things happen to them that shouldn't of, in fact many of those defending Meghan have already, many times, mentioned the misogyny and invasions of privacy the other woman have had too.

None of them have come into the family with social media as it is today, that's a major reason this is so much worse. None of them are black, that's the added problem that makes this unique and so much worse. I really get frustrated that it needs to be fully explained each time it does come up why racism is so dangerous, and has a much more serious safety risk for those subject to it. The other added issue is she is American, last time a member of the royal family married an American she also was subject to quite nasty things too. So Meghan has had a unique set of issues and with that more abuse to deal with.

I do not think it is anything to admire in anyone, that they put up with injustice as 'part of the job'. I admire people who are willing to say they're suffering and need help, and I admire people who say misogyny and racism are not ok in any circumstance, no matter the role you're in or the tiara that you get to borrow.

Roussette · 04/07/2023 14:36

Creepyrosemary · 04/07/2023 14:28

Low profile? They had a netflix series, podcast, her husband wrote a book. That's not a low profile life...

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The NF series was released December 2022, the podcasts a year ago, and we're talking about Meghan, not Harry and she has barely spoken all this year, and been seen twice I think

Harry's book was his book. Nothing to do with her

I know posters want a continual stream of Meghan, but really she has been v quiet this year

Totally agree with @skullbabe

skullbabe · 04/07/2023 14:48

Creepyrosemary · 04/07/2023 14:28

Low profile? They had a netflix series, podcast, her husband wrote a book. That's not a low profile life...

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Meghan has been so low profile since the Netflix series that newspapers remarked on how little she had been seen - see the attached sightings document - and there were even threads on MN asking where she was. Honestly - she hasn't really been seen much promotionally - think about it - Netflix was December, the next sighting was a charity, the next was introducing her friend photographer and the next was her award. She has spoken in three of those events. She has been seen a couple of extra times via the press. She literally is rarely out and about and you even rarely hear from her. Makes you think doesn't it?

Also Harry is not Meghan.

Misogynist Jeremy Clarkson gets his comeuppance… but what can be done about the thousands of other Meghan/confident-woman haters?
skullbabe · 04/07/2023 14:51

Just to make it clear that it fits with the general unexamined misogyny towards Meghan that her husband speaking is taken as evidence of her being everywhere. 🙄

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 15:00

Iwantcakeeveryday · 03/07/2023 07:44

Do people really think these huge sums of money just get handed out to people as a form of charity? You have to work for it and if you don't work for it, you're sacked. And these two were sacked.

Nobody thinks this, some people have a different opinion to you on Simmons and Spotify, that's all. You're incredibly defensive about Bill Simmons @Gracewithoutend and not for the first time. He's a man with a big fat mouth who has said misogynistic things before and spouted off about how great he was to poc only to have it pointed out to him he actually didn't have a diverse staff at all, and his guests, on his sports podcast no less, were 85% white. Quite a lot of people think he's a dick and that he was extremely unprofessional, and has been many times before. If he knew so much about podcasts in general, Spotify would be doing better. They're failing miserably and still can;t make a profit, are massively in debt and have had to drop a lot of podcasts. That's why he took a shot at Harry and Meghan, he knew it would make headlines and deflect form his own failings. Nobody knows if they were fired, they're not staff so I will say with certainty they were not. They simply didn't continue the contract. Harry was rumoured to be one of many podcasters unhappy with Joe Rogan's controversial comments, and unwilling to share the same platform. Meghan also said on her last podcast she was looking at ways to share this with a larger audience. So what I think is probably closer to the truth is, neither party was keen to continue.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of a multi millionaire sports jock, theres no need to call other posters ignorant ad prejudice. I am really shocked to see such nasty posts continue.

I don't care about Bill Simmons. I don't know him and can't think I'd have much in common with him. But he's not a random exec with no track record and no knowledge of Harry and Meghans work ethic.
And just because you and the poster who I replied to have never heard of him doesn't mean he has no track history, it just means the poster and you, despite your work history, have a very parochial, if any, knowledge of those who are influential in the world of pocasts.
When a man does something you don't like but you don't know anything about him, when you trash him, you're literally talking out of ignorance. When you're then informed and you still talk trash about him, you're talking out of prejudice.

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 15:11

TallerSally · 03/07/2023 09:27

@Gracewithoutend who, it would appear, may be writing a PhD thesis entitled “258’764 Ways (and counting) Megan and Harry are Worthless Facsimiles of Human Beings”, claims that I write in genuine ignorance, am prejudiced, and have a lot in common with Jeremy Clarkson. This is in sharp contrast to @Gracewithoutend, whose post contains such verified and undisputed facts as:

He [Bill S] has a lot of experience. It doesn't take long to make an assessment on people's attitude to work
we already know that Meghan has no problem taking her child on the school run. Another private thing she shared with the world.
And of course, she showed a bit of charity as well, by giving a homeless person a bag of her home grown produce. Although, clearly she didn't give it. She showed Archie how to send the chauffeur across the street to give it.
etc etc

None of this elevates the discussion, and supports what so many PPs have been expressing about the drive among Meghannahilators to unrelentingly push a negative narrative about her, and use disingenuous tactics to attempt to obliterate views that differ from theirs.

Take for example @Gracewithoutend's deliberate misconstruing of my PP:

If all this takes so much of their time and mental energy, they shouldn't be agreeing to do work that they can't deliver
You keep talking like these serious multi million dollar businesses should be handing out millions and tissues and reassurances that they don't need to work to earn their money. - the point in my posts is not whether Spotify was right to part ways with M&H (or vice-versa), it is about relative non-entities such as Bill Simmons piling insults onto Meghan, often to raise their profiles, or in Bill's case, detract from their own failures. As PPs have raised, other celebrities have parted ways with Spotify too, including Barack and Michelle Obama. Imagine them being called "f*cking grifters"? In the business world, deals fall apart all the time, including for sums far, far greater than $20M, yet when that happens you don't hear the parties hurling vile insults at each other online. But with Meghan and Harry it's fair game, isn't it? Textbook Meghannihilation pile-on.

Continuing with the deliberate misconstruing, we also have: That's laughable that you would compare the experience of the Sussexes with Simmons - where in my post did I do that?

@Gracewithoutend, dressing up of your opinions as facts, even if you throw in a few actual facts, doesn't make what is essentially your point of view any more worthy than mine. As several PPs and more balanced media commentators have said, hundreds of people make money every day slandering M&H with pseudo “facts” such as the above, which is precisely the problem that needs tackling.

Good luck with the thesis, I have no doubt many Meg-haters await its publication with bated breath…

Again, just because you've never heard of Simmons, doesn't make him a non-entity. It just makes you ignorant of his history. And just to keep saying it, shows you as so prejudiced in favour of Harry and Meghan, you're no longer able to separate fact from fiction.

And facts do trump opinions. It's an opinion the world is flat. It's a fact it isn't. It's an opinion Simmons is a non-entity in the world of podcasts. Its a fact he isn't.

And, no, he didn't call the Obamas grifters, because they actually produced content.

BadgerB · 04/07/2023 15:22

MoChridhe · 02/07/2023 18:57
Mixedberrygenderfluidmuffin · 02/07/2023 18:45

The IPSO finding is ridiculous, it was a joke, obviously not to everyone's taste (I thought it was funny), but no more sexist than it was racist. It was purely Meghan-ist.
You found that article funny! How disgusting.

You found criticism of Meghan unacceptable - yet you're prepared to call another poster, of whom, I presume you know nothing "disgusting".

Yes, I know Clerkson went way too far, but a person is allowed to find Meghan despicable because of her past (and present) actions without being insulted by another poster.
Meghan's super-fans do her no favours - but I don't suppose she cares. Why should she? You're not rich or famous (I presume) so beneath her notice

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 15:24

@ILikeDinosaurs
Are you expecting us all to care who this non-entity is? You sound like you're his wife. His CV doesn't impress me. He's unprofessional.

I don't expect you to care. I don't think anyone is bothered whether you're impressed by an impressive cv. I don't say whether he was professional or not.
But he's not a non-entity. He's a guy who has worked hard, was highly regarded and respected as a column sports journalist. And is,equally highly regarded in the world of podcasting. People can say they don't like him for what he said and i wouldn't comment. But the determined effort to keep doing down his achievements is no different to objections to people doing down Harry and Meghan when they achieve something. The op's behaviour is no different to theirs.

skullbabe · 04/07/2023 15:26

The IPSO finding is ridiculous, it was a joke, obviously not to everyone's taste (I thought it was funny), but no more sexist than it was racist.

I missed this. What was the joke?

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 04/07/2023 15:32

Has Clarkson had a bollock8ng over it? Good if he has.

Roussette · 04/07/2023 15:44

@Gracewithoutend You sound really obsessed with this Simmons guy. Why? You must be his biggest cheerleader. When I ask why... I think I know. It's because he knocked H&M so he is now elevated in your eyes into something really special because you are defending him absolutely everywhere.

I don't 'do down his achievements'. I don't know the guy from Adam. However I don't have a high opinion of someone who would slag off a business colleague/customer like he did and if I were looking to do business, I wouldn't be doing it with him. He might be hugely talented, I have no idea... all I know is, he is unprofessional.

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 04/07/2023 17:04

When a man does something you don't like but you don't know anything about him, when you trash him, you're literally talking out of ignorance. When you're then informed and you still talk trash about him, you're talking out of prejudice.

I don't think having a negative opinion based on his actions is 'trash talking' and I don't think anyone should be exempt from that kind of criticism or negative opinion. It's not prejudice to not have a good opinion of Bill Simmons based on Bill Simmons own actions. I think its rather odd to think any man should be so special that its prejudiced to criticise him. What an odd thing to say. You really seem to think because he sold something for a lot of money he must always be right in every circumstance. He is not a well respected man, despite what you may think, before he made the comments and the comments themselves, to some people, are extremely unprofessional and simple deflection. You cannot tell people here they are prejudiced because they have a different opinion to you on Bill Simmons.

ILikeDinosaurs · 04/07/2023 17:10

Gracewithoutend · 04/07/2023 15:24

@ILikeDinosaurs
Are you expecting us all to care who this non-entity is? You sound like you're his wife. His CV doesn't impress me. He's unprofessional.

I don't expect you to care. I don't think anyone is bothered whether you're impressed by an impressive cv. I don't say whether he was professional or not.
But he's not a non-entity. He's a guy who has worked hard, was highly regarded and respected as a column sports journalist. And is,equally highly regarded in the world of podcasting. People can say they don't like him for what he said and i wouldn't comment. But the determined effort to keep doing down his achievements is no different to objections to people doing down Harry and Meghan when they achieve something. The op's behaviour is no different to theirs.

You keep shoving his credentials down our throats over and over again. Are we not allowed to dislike him/not respect him/not care how wonderful he apparently is?

People can say they don't like him for what he said and i wouldn't comment

Um?! You are doing the exact opposite of that.

But the determined effort to keep doing down his achievements is no different to objections to people doing down Harry and Meghan when they achieve something. The op's behaviour is no different to theirs.

And the determined effort to keep bigging this guy up just because he said something you agree with is pathetic. Let other people think what they want.

WinnieTheW0rm · 04/07/2023 17:22

skullbabe · 02/07/2023 20:28

Every day - there is an article about her regardless of the fact that she has been relatively low profile and silent. Thread after thread going over the same things over and over again. Repeated ways to be needlessly spiteful and give her no quarter. It’s never ending. Give this thread a minute @TallerSally - the Meghan “justified criticism” people will descend soon and find ways to justify the Clarkson’s language rhetoric.

She's been silent, but people have not been silent about her.

The notorious comments have come from people well-respected and well-connected in their industries, and in the aftermath of the confirmation of the (mutual) ending of the Spotify deal. That's worth notice (just as positive comments when H&M were first making big deals were worth notice)

And then yes of course, other commentators start chatting

Her agents say there is stuff in the pipeline (new podcast deal, maybe (non-Dior) brand alliances). That all sounds a bit "jam tomorrow" right now, but a couple of good new deals will change things.

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ILikeDinosaurs · 04/07/2023 18:39

She's been silent, but people have not been silent about her.

The media and people on SM keep repeating the same things about her over and over again, in ever minute detail, and with ever more twists and insults added, not realising that they're making it sound like she's everywhere all the time. And then believing that she's everywhere all the time, and then calling her an attention seeker when she's barely been seen! If I was her I'd be laughing.

PrincessTigger · 04/07/2023 18:48

… can’t 2 things be true at the same time? M&H did not deliver on a contract & that’s bad, AND Simmons was indiscrete & unprofessional?

ZenNudist · 04/07/2023 20:10

Woah. Calm down love.

Maybe take up knitting. Meant to be very relaxing and will give you something else more normal to think about?