Harry DEPORTED from America **MNHQ updating subject line with spoiler that no, he wasn't deported**

Sorry - "if he lied ..." Not "he he lied .."

I don't get why Meghan can keep her titles but Harry would have to renounce his if he became a US citizen.

Anyway no chance he'll be deported.

I have no idea what would happen to Meghan’s titles if he renounced his, @704703hey.

I was just explaining that while people born American can have titles bestowed upon them by other countries, anyone who applies for American citizenship has to give up their”forrin” titles.

Getting back to the original thread, while Harry isn’t about to be deported, these daft stories do highlight the fact that he doesn’t really have special status in America. Any nutcase can take a verbal potshot at him and as American citizens, they have more right to be there then he does!

Meghan and the children will always have the upper hand in the US ( unless he’s willing to give up his titles and become a citizen). I think everyone else realized that from the start, not sure he did though.

Well, aren't titles unrecognised in the US officially? I remember reading somewhere that occasionally a US citizen gets a knighthood for services to the UK, and can accept but doesn't get called 'Sir Whatever' (e.g. Eisenhower). So they don't apply in the US already.

On the other hand, any individual can ask people around them to call them 'Sir Whatever' without having been knighted.

There seem to be plenty of members of ex-RFs still using titles, even though born after that country became a republic. The titles are meaningless, but the people they associate with use them.

So, Meghan can keep using the title, and as long as the people around her address her by the title she gets to 'keep' it.

There is no legal requirement for any of us to use anyone's title - even here in the UK - it is just a social convention.

FFS

@mixedrecycling You're right, of course. Technically there’s no reason to use their titles in the US. If he decides to live there longterm, it would make legal sense for him to become a citizen and be on an equal legal footing with his wife and children. No one could ever take potshots about his immigration status then.

Plus he’d be out of the line of succession and truly free of the RF. Makes perfect sense, tbh.

There's no reason to use their titles in the UK, either, if they don't want to. Edward and Sophie use a 'lower' title for their children, and Louise seems to have decided that for herself now she's 18. The Duchess of Kent (? I think?) taught music in state schools for over a decade as 'Mrs Kent'. Harry used the surname 'Wales' in his army career, and didn't use his title.

Titles are a bit weird, and there is no legal requirement for anyone to use them. The only legal complexity (I think?) is if someone who is a peer wants to sit in the House of Commons, and Tony Benn managed to get that sorted out in the 1960s

@mixedrecycling Again, you’re right. It’ll be interesting to see what happens longterm, perhaps after Charles has gone.

'Do you mean Sir John?' became a catch phrase for pomposity in our family when I was a child

We met another family on holiday, the other father's name was John X, he was a senior civil servant. He and Dad were both interested in the business potential of personal computers (early 1980s!). Back home he and Dad arranged to meet for lunch one day, Dad was self-employed and not working that day, so turned up to John X's office in jeans and a jumper. Was admitted (early 1980s security!) and made his way to John X's outer office, which housed John X's secretary/PA.

Dad said 'I'm here to see John X'.

The secretary sat up very straight, looked him up and down, and said in glacial accents 'Do you mean Sir John?' 😂

Sir John only used his title in very formal situations. Personally he was happy to be address as 'John'. Nice guy and very talented.

The media has been saying it since Harry was a child.

Rebekah Brooks (of the Murdoch news empire Prince Harry is suing) was obsessed with making out that Harry was an actual drug addict, which wasn’t true. Even going so far as setting up a cocaine sting to try and entrap Harry as a teenager. She used that fake Sheik but was unsuccessful. https://bylineinvestigates.com/2020/04/07/royal-exclusive-murdoch-ceo-brooks-illegally-spied-for-a-year-on-teen-prince-harry/

This is definitely tabloid media driven smears. As Harry’s lawsuits hit the courts, tabloids are just going to continue making up this stuff to distract from their criminality. People who’ve bought into the Harry/Meghan hate train will continue to amplify it for entertainment.

I don't understand, are you saying that Harry didn't use drugs and media have made it up? So he lied in his book and on the interview with Dr Mate? I wonder if they will move his book to the fiction section.

The media has been saying it since Harry was a child.

And now Harry has confirmed that they were right?

This is definitely tabloid media driven smears.

Rebekah Brooks is undoubtedly a side-faced bottom feeder but it appears in this case her basic suspicions have now been confirmed by Harold himself.

She must be twirling...

Reporting today saying that Heritage Foundation have got their day in court (6th June) when there will be a hearing about the unsealing of PH's immigration records

That’s mad when you think about it.

So if he were to become an American citizen, he would have to renounce all his titles, but Meghan and the children wouldn’t?

Imagine that! I can’t see him going for full citizenship in that case

Wow! These are presumably the records they 'couldn't find?

Listening to something today and apparently when Harry was texting meghan before they actually met he was texting and talking to a Burberry model, but she decided they were not suited as she was very clean living, little alcohol and no drugs, and their lifestyles were mutually incompatible. Says a lot without saying anything, so I think Harry's drug and drink issues are more serious at that time than it seems.

The heritage foundation have a very good case, but Harry has some extremely powerful friends so it will be something to see how it pans out.

As for the Harry and Meghan 'hate train', just grow up and stop using emotive language. People who abide by the law, pay taxes and work for a living have every right to be disgusted at the misuse of privilege, drugs, entitlement and blatant hypocrisy this couple show. It's not a hate train because we don't know them as people but we are perfectly entitled to judge their actions. Their actions stink.

That's interesting

He'd have to renounce the dukedom, as that's a hereditary title. But he might still be able to be styled Prince Harry as that's a royal courtesy style (not technically a title).

But it seems to mean he might also have to quit his place in the line of succession.

Which would leave Archie as the Duke (if those born American/dual do not seem to have to revoke) and potentially one place higher in the line of succession - and becoming idc a Counsellor of State

@WinnieTheW0rm Very interesting. I think his powerful friends will get him off the hook though. A very interesting clash of privilege and genuine democracy 😊

SavedByDogs · 22/03/2023 09:19
It’s very odd that a couple you presumably don’t know bother you so much.

Odd how this always comes up when anyone expresses a dislike for H&M.
If there is a need to know personally any public person in order to have an opinion - well, it would certainly stifle discussion.

How would we ever vote unless we'd met the whole Cabinet?

What a waste of time and money. 😒
I suppose this is what can happen when you’re outside the Royal fold, no one to protect you and tidy things up anymore.

Indeed, @BadgerB . I'm sure none of us know Phillip Schofield but he's certainly filled up these threads and column inches.

GBNews reckons there's an imminent danger.

Bloody hell. Must be true then. I'm joking of course.

Of course he won't be.

Being a republican I couldn't give a kipper's tit about Harry and Meghan.

Having said that I didn't realise Rebekah Wade tried to stitch him up , she failed and he is suing the Scum Empire. Guess I'll have to buy him a pint if he ever shows up in rural Cork.

This court case starts today.

Probably to be somewhat overshadowed in the reporting by the one here.

I've just seen an article that the case might take weeks - is that likely to be right?