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William on Graham Norton

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viques · 24/10/2026 00:00

Poor Harry. As if his week hasn’t been bad enough he has now had to watch his brother appearing on the best talk show , holding his own, looking comfortable and relaxed, keeping up with the banter, making half decent jokes, telling stories against himself with humour.

Makes Harry’s attempt at tv chatting seem even more uncomfortable.

“Call me William” versus “I am a prince.”

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Brickafterbrick888 · Today 13:17

The power is already with Parliament; the MPs just need to decide to use it

See my previous post.

No problem with that in principle. There would need to be decisions on where the money came from if it was decoupled from The Crown Estate. There would need to be decisions about what other bills did not receive Parliamentary time to allow yearly discussion of this one. The recent SG Bill (Act next month) has fixed one of the 2011 anomalies.

This can all be achieved,

They are private, not public property. They are private estates since the 1300s, and were handed back to the monarchy for the personal property of the monarch/heir after the interregnum.
Under current UK/international law if they were seized by the state appropriate compensation would have to be paid

Come on now, that explanation was acceptable when we were ruled by barons, but in 2026, the duchies may be deemed private property for the purposes of the monarchy, but they include vast stretches of public coast line and sea in which lie vastly lucrative wind farms. The duchies are very much corporate entities that make £21 million a year in profit each, and yet are not subject to corporation tax. It should be noted that the Duchies also charge our public institutions, such as the NHS and the army, rent!

My understanding (from the last time I read a legal argument on this) is that members of the RF have the same rights under FOI as any other individual in the UK. You may have heard differently.

Lownie discovered that official government documents detailing Prince Andrew's ten-year tenure as a taxpayer-funded UK special trade envoy have been strictly sealed until 2065. Under current UK guidelines, official files on senior royals are withheld for 105 years from their date of birth.

And Lownie submitted hundreds of FOI requests to bodies like the Foreign Office and the Department for Business and Trade while he was writing Entitled. He describes the process as a game of "whack-a-mole," he encountered a prevailing culture of secrecy, and he noted that government departments relied heavily on exemptions to block access to travel and meeting logs.

There are already rules regarding gifts. Would agree to transparent registers for working royals, MPs and members of HoL
I don't think non-working royals should have any more scrutiny than any other private individual, as long as they are not receiving any tax-payer funded benefits
(I exempt security, as that is based on risk.)

Imho the existing rules regarding gifts are not tight enough as evidenced by the Fawcett the Fence allegations and the bags of cash issue, which constituted , apparently, a donation not a gift.

Non working royals is a grey area because people like Zara Tindall are patrons of charities, not just horsey ones, she attends public royal events such as Ascot and Buckingham Palace, and at the same time receives far more lucrative brand endorsements than other three day eventers competing at four and five star level. I have no problem with her personally but I think the rules need clarification.

And if HIHO is not allowed then there should be stricter rules that apply fairly across the board eg Sophie and Edward should not benefit privately from income by renting out the converted stables at Bagshott which they live in thanks to a peppercorn rent.

And the system of royal warrants needs investigating. In theory it should mean that no gifts are provided to the royals by brands such as Fortnums or Land Rover. But in practice. Lownie requested information from BP and LR as to whether the RF paid full price for their vehicles and he received no satisfactory reply from either!

The trouble with the hereditary system is that if William changes any of the above it is really a public acknowledgment that his father, or grandmother, or their agents, got things badly wrong and that is far harder to do than simply implementing a professional policy change between successive heads of state who already have a public mandate.

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 13:21

andyburnhamhere · Today 12:36

Thanks I have sparred with the best of you over the years...don't worry I won't be here long. I have faux busyness to do elsewhere ....

www.mumsnet.com/talk/the_royal_family/5306429-sentebale-4?flipped=1&page=23

Come back and visit us again soon please
andyburnhamhere 😀👋

Harriettttt · Today 13:30

Honestly I would expect him to be able to go on GN and be a bit charming and tell some funny anecdotes. Isn’t it what the royal do ? Meet the public. Not impressed at all. Think the GN show has had its day and I used to enjoy it.

andyburnhamhere · Today 13:36

I came across the parliamentary guidance on how MPs and Lords can raise matters concerning the Royal Family. I would hope the MP for the Duchy tenant effectively being exploited by his own royal slumlord would raise this in Parliament. Failing that, he could table a substantive motion — although, given how unlikely that is to succeed, he may be rather more constrained in what he can achieve that way.

However, there are some restrictions, which have occasionally led to a misconception that Members of Parliament cannot talk about the Monarch or other members of the Royal Family. These are that:
criticism of certain individuals can only be made on a substantive motion (one that calls for action or expresses an opinion) and not incidentally

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10426/

I asked Chat to knock up a motion based on the Observer article - I commend it to the House !

Fictional House of Commons Substantive Motion
The Duchy of Cornwall, tenant security and public accountability
That this House:
(1) Notes with grave concern the report published by The Observer on 25 October 2026 concerning the proposed sale of the Duchy of Cornwall’s Bradninch Estate in Devon, and the reported consequences for nine tenant farmers and a similar number of residential tenants;
(2) Recognises that families have lived and worked on the estate for generations, and that the reported six-month deadline to purchase their homes or holdings or leave has caused considerable distress and uncertainty;
(3) Further notes reports of disputed property valuations, concerns that tenant-funded improvements may have increased the prices tenants are being asked to pay, and allegations that some tenants have been left with little practical alternative to accepting the Duchy’s terms or losing their homes and livelihoods;
(4) Acknowledges the Duchy’s stated position that tenants are being offered first refusal, discounts and professional support, but considers that a theoretical opportunity to purchase is not an adequate substitute for meaningful security of tenure where tenants lack the financial means to buy;
(5) Expresses concern that the reported circumstances sit uneasily alongside the Prince of Wales’s public commitments to tackling homelessness, improving mental health and strengthening communities, and that rural tenants should not be treated as less deserving of consideration than those in urban areas;
(6) Believes that the Duchy of Cornwall’s distinctive constitutional position, substantial private income and favourable tax treatment give rise to legitimate questions about transparency, accountability and the responsibilities accompanying its privileges;
(7) Further believes that historic estates which derive their identity and value from centuries of association with the Crown have responsibilities extending beyond the maximisation of commercial returns, particularly where the decisions of their management threaten established rural communities;
(8) Calls on His Majesty’s Government to commission an independent review of the implications of major Duchy disposals for residential tenants, tenant farmers, rural communities and local community assets, including the adequacy of existing legal protections and dispute-resolution mechanisms;
(9) Calls for that review to consider:

  • whether tenants should receive independent valuations and a meaningful right to challenge disputed prices;
  • how improvements paid for by tenants should be reflected in purchase valuations;
  • whether reasonable transitional periods and stronger protections against displacement are required;
  • how the loss or sale of community assets, including allotments, recreation grounds and wetlands, should be assessed;
  • whether the Duchy’s tax privileges and governance arrangements remain justified in their present form, and whether greater public reporting and scrutiny are warranted;
(10) Urges the Duchy of Cornwall to suspend irreversible action against affected tenants while good-faith negotiations and independent valuation disputes remain unresolved, and to publish a clear account of its approach to tenant welfare, community impact and the proposed disposals; (11) Calls on the Prince of Wales, as Duke of Cornwall, to demonstrate through the treatment of his own tenants that his commitments to fairness, mental health, housing security and community wellbeing apply as fully to those living and working on his own estate as they do to the beneficiaries of his public campaigns; (12) And calls on the Government to report to this House on the findings of its review and any proposed legislative or regulatory changes.
CoffeeCantata · Today 13:46

jeffgoldblum · Today 12:40

Good ! , because I respect that actual republicans may have a point but I do not respect those that use that name to defend Harry !

Yes - hilarious when so-called republicans take up the H & M cause - I think they'll find they both LERVE being royal.

It's disruptive to the monarchy and some unscrupulous republicans love that. But it shows a lack of integrity and seriousness, because, apart from the fact that the HaMs are more royal than the royals, do they honestly think that in these scary times disrupting the British Constitution, which works brilliantly, just for fun, is a good idea?

It's like the Judgement of Solomon where he suggested the two quarreling mothers should cut the disputed child in half....no-one of good will would want to cause even more instability now??

If someone pushed me, I'd say that - relax, I don't necessarily see George becoming king - at least not in the same way as Charles, or even William. Maybe things will evolve in the next few decades, but that's the way this country has mostly worked, through evolution, not revolution (thank God! Unlike France and Russia...). I'm not averse to change if it is organic, gradual and sensible and not made out of a 'politics of envy' mindset and a wish for Madame Defarge/Robespierre-style vengeance.

But until then I'm a moderate constitutional monarchist and I like KC, Camilla, W and C.

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 14:05

CoffeeCantata · Today 13:46

Yes - hilarious when so-called republicans take up the H & M cause - I think they'll find they both LERVE being royal.

It's disruptive to the monarchy and some unscrupulous republicans love that. But it shows a lack of integrity and seriousness, because, apart from the fact that the HaMs are more royal than the royals, do they honestly think that in these scary times disrupting the British Constitution, which works brilliantly, just for fun, is a good idea?

It's like the Judgement of Solomon where he suggested the two quarreling mothers should cut the disputed child in half....no-one of good will would want to cause even more instability now??

If someone pushed me, I'd say that - relax, I don't necessarily see George becoming king - at least not in the same way as Charles, or even William. Maybe things will evolve in the next few decades, but that's the way this country has mostly worked, through evolution, not revolution (thank God! Unlike France and Russia...). I'm not averse to change if it is organic, gradual and sensible and not made out of a 'politics of envy' mindset and a wish for Madame Defarge/Robespierre-style vengeance.

But until then I'm a moderate constitutional monarchist and I like KC, Camilla, W and C.

… talking of derails!

Republicans just see people as people whether they have a title or not. It’s not a particularly hard concept to understand but is continually overlooked.

Republicans are not all one homogeneous group of people with exactly the same views, just as monarchists, or people between the two positions, are not either.

Republicans range from those who are deadly serious about the constitutional direction this country should take, and some who delight in being disruptors of the status quo, just as some monarchists are here to argue passionately about the balance of powers and others are here for the gossip and frocks.

Hopefully a variety of views can be entertained on this forum. Not one faction is in charge of what the other posts. That’s the job of Mumsnet HQ.

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 14:12

jeffgoldblum · Today 12:40

Good ! , because I respect that actual republicans may have a point but I do not respect those that use that name to defend Harry !

As someone who often posts that they are not a monarchist but “just here for the shit and giggles” , I question whether you are in a great position to set yourself up as arbiter of which opinions are worthy of respect or not jeffgoldblum.

My2cents1975 · Today 14:22

See the Finalists for Prince William’s 2026 Earthshot Prize

Of the finalists, I think ZEMBA which is the* *Zero Emission Maritime Buyers Alliance, bringing global cargo owners together to make binding commitments to zero-emission shipping, is the one that may have the biggest impact.

Take a toaster/tv/electric car made overseas e.g. in China. Not only did the inputs come from different countries, but the finished product also had to make its way to the UK and most of that journey is over the ocean.

Making the global cargo fleet less polluting is an objectively good thing.

Finalists for Prince William’s 2026 Earthshot Prize Revealed

Indian filmmaker Karan Johar will present this year's awards in Mumbai.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a73787784/prince-william-2026-earthshot-prize-finalists/

LipglossAndLies · Today 14:31

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 14:12

As someone who often posts that they are not a monarchist but “just here for the shit and giggles” , I question whether you are in a great position to set yourself up as arbiter of which opinions are worthy of respect or not jeffgoldblum.

schadenfreude is the word they have used to explain their reason foe posting whst they do.

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 14:55

LipglossAndLies · Today 14:31

schadenfreude is the word they have used to explain their reason foe posting whst they do.

Thank you LipglossAndLies 😀 ;
that explains it!

HamTwatter · Today 15:03

Anyway. Back to Graham.

Episode 6 GIF by BBC Three
CoffeeCantata · Today 15:18

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 14:05

… talking of derails!

Republicans just see people as people whether they have a title or not. It’s not a particularly hard concept to understand but is continually overlooked.

Republicans are not all one homogeneous group of people with exactly the same views, just as monarchists, or people between the two positions, are not either.

Republicans range from those who are deadly serious about the constitutional direction this country should take, and some who delight in being disruptors of the status quo, just as some monarchists are here to argue passionately about the balance of powers and others are here for the gossip and frocks.

Hopefully a variety of views can be entertained on this forum. Not one faction is in charge of what the other posts. That’s the job of Mumsnet HQ.

Maybe...but it's pointless arguing with someone whose views are inconsistent, and who actually admits it! I enjoy a good debate but it can be like playing pigeon chess, as has been mentioned on here before.

It's difficult to take some posts and arguments seriously. And if you're (not you personally, Brick) not seriously engaged, then at least be lighthearted. There are some pps who want it both ways: they want to claim they're just here for fun, while being rude and unpleasant at the same time.

CoffeeCantata · Today 15:19

HamTwatter · Today 15:03

Anyway. Back to Graham.

Yes please!

What a derail!

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 15:34

CoffeeCantata · Today 15:18

Maybe...but it's pointless arguing with someone whose views are inconsistent, and who actually admits it! I enjoy a good debate but it can be like playing pigeon chess, as has been mentioned on here before.

It's difficult to take some posts and arguments seriously. And if you're (not you personally, Brick) not seriously engaged, then at least be lighthearted. There are some pps who want it both ways: they want to claim they're just here for fun, while being rude and unpleasant at the same time.

👍👍 can certainly agree that the rudeness and unpleasantness from either side is unnecessary.

CoffeeCantata · Today 15:35

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 15:34

👍👍 can certainly agree that the rudeness and unpleasantness from either side is unnecessary.

We can definitely agree on that!

Brickafterbrick888 · Today 15:45

CoffeeCantata · Today 15:35

We can definitely agree on that!

YY 👍👍👍 very much so!

OneFunBrickNewt · Today 16:39

OliveMyLove · Yesterday 17:10

I think there are many people who would say your flat belongs to all of us, too.

No, I genuinely don't think they would.

andyburnhamhere · Today 17:54

(now vera98 but stuck as Andy for the duration of the thread).

BBC broke its own rules with William's Graham Norton appearance

Campaigners will lodge a formal complaint to the BBC for a serious breach of their impartiality and Charter guidelines.

The complaint from campaign group Republic follows Prince William's appearance on The Graham Norton Show.

The show appears to have been co-opted for the promotion of the Earthshot Prize, an independent charity with close ties to William.

The BBC's own guidelines say the corporation must not endorse or support individual charities except for its own official corporate charities, such as Children in Need.

In 2013, the BBC reprimanded Norton and his production company after Norton wore a World AIDS Day ribbon on his show.

At the time, the BBC said its guidelines meant the corporation "...must remain independent and distanced from government initiatives, campaigners, charities and their agendas, no matter how apparently worthy the cause or how much their message appears to be accepted or uncontroversial."

Friday's Graham Norton Show featured William alongside other guests who all had links with Earthshot. A significant portion of the show was highlighting the charity in a wholly uncritical fashion.

Republic has also challenged the BBC over its uncritical promotion of William, who is a publicly funded figure who holds public office.

Speaking for Republic, Graham Smith said today:

"The BBC has an appalling track record when it comes to royal partiality. They fawn and celebrate and join in with the royal PR machine. They exercise poor judgement time and again, failing to represent either the monarchy or public attitudes fairly or accurately."

"This latest programme is a case in point. William wants to do this because the royals know the writing is on the wall. They can see the falling polls and they can see the rising voices of opposition."

"The BBC's job is to report and reflect on the failings of the monarchy and changing attitudes towards the institution. Instead, they allow themselves to be wholly co-opted by the palace PR machine."

"The latest coverage is nothing more than PR slop, designed to shore up flagging support for the royals. The BBC's collusion with the royals fails the British public, whether royalist, republican or indifferent."

CoffeeCantata · Today 18:01

@Andy, Vera and not forgetting Val,

OMG Republic sound like horrible fun sponges - no wonder they’re such a tiny group!

Reminds me of that jolly period in the mid seventeenth century when Christmas was cancelled 😂 by their Puritan counterparts.

simpsonthecat · Today 18:12

WRT AMW, in my opinion (and I have said this throughout the AMW saga) it is because AMW, while his behaviour has been egregious, is one of the least powerful of the men involved.
There are plenty of powerful finance, business and political men still out there who have not yet been brought to justice - and may never be.

But we know that, we've always known that, we all agree

We know there is far far more powerful men to be held accountable. Perhaps the rest of the Epstein files being released will help with that, we are missing 000,000s

OliveMyLove · Today 18:16

Gosh, this sounds familiar:
"This latest programme is a case in point. William wants to do this because the royals know the writing is on the wall. They can see the falling polls and they can see the rising voices of opposition."

That’s a poster here, right?

OliveMyLove · Today 18:17

simpsonthecat · Today 18:12

WRT AMW, in my opinion (and I have said this throughout the AMW saga) it is because AMW, while his behaviour has been egregious, is one of the least powerful of the men involved.
There are plenty of powerful finance, business and political men still out there who have not yet been brought to justice - and may never be.

But we know that, we've always known that, we all agree

We know there is far far more powerful men to be held accountable. Perhaps the rest of the Epstein files being released will help with that, we are missing 000,000s

Did you see Vera99 is back?

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