Ham pr disasters 53! …..how low will they go? …we all hope not that low!

[jeffgoldblum]

Well we have had the attempted upstaging of the Welsh senate …..now the Oman state visit….we all hope that whatever advisors that they still have will not allow any thing to interfere with Aberfan! 🤞

I surprise myself sometimes…

I agree with you. Yes, HAM will go ballistic. Threaten legal action, all sorts. Harry may finally implode but they basically doing all that now anyway. Yesterday's latest turd was absolutely shameful and a total embarrassment on a state visit. When is it going to end? My guess never and it won't be long before HAM have their kids trained to behave the same way.

Charles is in a dificult position re Harry though, he has to react to the Markle shenanigans as both a father and as the King. As a father I'm sure that he would like a closer relationship with his son and grandchildren but he knows that he would find himself used as a PR pawn by them. As the King he can see that because of the Markles' history of viciousness towards the RF they cannot be trusted in any way. Once William becomes King I can imagine a situation in which they wouldn't even be invited to the Coronation, whatever form that takes, they've really burned their boats in that direction.

The best thing would be to make a general change so no non working Royals have titles any longer. Remove them from the Yorks and the Sussexes at the same time . They really need to do this urgently.

They also criticized them for moving back to the UK

I imagine they had a VIP showing of Harry's interview at home with the kids on repeat celebrating his success.

Words and actions have consequences. I am dumbfounded that H&M could be so stupid as to think that there was any way back from the scorched-earth nuclear campaign they waged against the RF.

Nobody in their right mind would trust either of them ever again.

I feel a bit sorry for Harry but he's made his bed and all that. It's also a real shame for their kids. But the damage is done, and there's no un-ringing that bell.

Will no one think of the children?

G, C, L, A and L are all at school with older children who will think nothing of smirking at them in the corridors or accidentally shoving into them in the lunch queue. Yes, this happens, even in the vair posh schools.

The Wales kids will get sympathy today along the lines of Your Grandpop’s a ledge, your Dad’s a hero, your mum is spectacular but FML your unc is a chopped weirdo.

Harry’s kids will get the same but the Dad and Unc will get reversed.

That's a lot of people who would lose long held prince and princess titles. Might be worth it for the tantrum from Princess Michael of Kent though.

This is why there will never be a reconciliation. Harry and Meghan have increased the risk to Williams children over the last 7 years with their claims. We live in such volatile times and race is the most volatile topic. They knowingly used and weaponised this. Knowing it's a massive tinder box. Then Harry had the gall to say in his book that he is worried about William's children. What parent is going to forgive that.

And aunt instead of MOM.

I definitely don't think Meghan will be invited to the coronation. And once harry wouldn't have gone without her but I think now he would (scowling).

This is where I disagree. I think even if they have issues, they'll never divorce.

High profile marriages are pretty much brands at this point. They have this "us against the world" image. Harry is being lauded by many as the man who put his wife first above everything and everyone.

They'll never divorce. The humiliation would be too great

Harry has shown time and time again that he is a scheming, deceptive, untrustworthy, leaky, sorry excuse for a person.

He hurt his family. She hurt them too but his treachery will hurt more.

She does not deserve to be the scapegoat for this. They have both acted terribly but Harry is the real villain here. Not her.

I was listening to a YouTube which had Annunciata Rees Mogg on.
She said that it would be possible to remove the Prince title and the HRH by straightforward letters patent , rather than the more complex parliamentary involvement that would be needed to remove the Duke title.
I think she's right. Removing the Duke, even if it were easy to do, would simply give Meghan a promotion to Princess Harry/Henry, except she would style herself Princess Meghan and love every minute of it. Whereas the Dukedom? As she said, we have lots of Dukes around the country, some fairly low key, some take their responsibilities and position seriously, some are total druggy criminal wasters (Duke of Marlborough being number one example).

I do think it would be worth removing the HRH (rather than it being in "abeyance", with the Sussex's clearly not signing up to that, and still using the HRH when the opportunity arises, even if it is in an empty room), and removing the Prince - would send a clear message to all.

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You're probably right, @BigWillyLittleTodger - at least I hope you are

For myself, and remembering we don't know what happens behind the scenes, I'll finally believe it if they're not at the (purely family event) Sandringham Christmas, but as ever time will tell

I think your probably right. But they may end up spending much of their time apart.

I suppose it's the timing of the thing. I can't be the only one who wouldn't like to see the faithful, reliable Gloucesters and Kents lose their titles at this time of their lives, and I imagine that issue complicates things. The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester and the Duke of Kent have served the monarchy and thereby their country for decades with dignity and grace. Why should they be 'punished' because Harry is out of control?

The Duke of Kent appears frail but the Gloucesters have probably got a good few years of attending functions and charity involvement left in them judging by their energy levels at appearances.

(I've got a bit of a soft spot for Richard Gloucester. He was at the state banquet last night with Birgitte his wife, walking with Anne and Tim Lawrence. I'd love to talk to him about architecture.)

It was nothing more than a PR exercise, he was about to embark on a pre- invictus thing and do interviews in the US, the optics of the King announcing he had been diagnosed with cancer and Harry still sitting on all his criticism of his fathers, his family and the UK, and not having met his dad since before the freedom flight, would have looked pretty bad for him in the market he was trying to win over.

I understand she is very ill so not sure she would bother . Princess Alexandra too .

Im pretty sure I saw him outside the British Embassy in Muscat years ago. I recently
posted about it on another one of these threads.

That means nothing. He used to go to Scotland. He still claims he's a "Prince of England" (sic).

Yes, Princess Michael is bed bound after a stroke.

The thing is, even if the titles are removed it won’t make a difference. We know that Andrew is still a prince really because he was born a prince. And Harry will always be a prince because he was born a prince. The only way forward is to change the letters patent today only the direct heirs are Prince/Princess and let the old titled die off. I’m sure in the age of high mortality it was useful to have a third cousin twice removed who was a Prince but it’s not so necessary these days.

Let’s look at deposed European royalty who still use their titles (thanks Google because I couldn’t think of any in a nano second) - Princess Maria-Olympia of Greece and Denmark, Princess Alexia of Greece and Denmark, and Princess Margareta of Romania. That’s the future for the Hams.