Ham pr disasters 49! ….Hi , Ho, …Hi , Ho….it’s not going to work you know!

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What next? …upcoming “engagements” ….humanitarian projects….will they ? Won’t they? 🤷‍♀️
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Sorry, - only just catching up - going back to Malala, I understand she has been producer or executive producer on a number of documentary films and now has her own production company. (She also co-produced a broadway play with Hilary Clinton!). I wonder if H&M are hoping to get her involved in their Diana doc?

Yes, but we’ve had side shot views of Lilis face. It doesn’t reveal her whole face.

Two kids playing a board game could easily only show a partial view.

Two kids playing wheelbarrows, only need to show a partial view or even cover their faces with the loveheart emoji, that she likes to use from time to time.

Its extremely odd, that there’s NEVER been a picture or video, showing the kids involved with one another- talking, playing, reading, hugging, pulling silly faces at each other etc

Of the thousand of pics I’m sure Meg has….she can’t produce one? She cant use an emoji to cover the faces of the kids showing a normal sibling relationship?

Whatever is going on, it’s not normal behaviour.

Like most of the country I thought Meghan would be wonderful for the RF - I’m afraid I was duped.
I now believe her game plan was ALWAYS to earn money in California - she kept all her agents/PRcompanies/ etc etc going in the US and registered many website domains ….. some even before her marriage - one allegedly princessmeghan.

Meghan obviously thought she could be half in half out right from the start - what a shock that must have been!

I also believe what says most about her is how she treats people - particularly ones who were once very close to her.

Once she’d met Harry her father was Markled - he just didn’t appear to fit her new narrative sadly. She threw him to the the journalists/photographers without any support (or even a meeting with Harry). He was superfluous to requirements by that stage.

I’m afraid she seems to have few redeeming qualities.

@smilesy - I'm with you in that discussing other people's mental health is tricky.
What I do know from my own experience proper clinical depression doesn't clear up in 2 weeks. It might be severe stress and associated symptoms , but depression is a very definite thing and it shouldn't be thrown around as a "I had it and it cleared up in two weeks" thing. It isn't helpful to those who really suffer.
Similarly suicidal ideation .

I don't know the circumstances , but such terms should not be thrown around lightly - forget H&M for a moment - because it detracts from the very real problems people face. I do think W is trying to shine a light on suicide amongst young people. Good for him.

The whole thing about their faces is just weird to me. They’ve publicly shared photos of their faces before. I don’t know why they pretend otherwise.

They should stop sharing these full stop and the fact that they don’t shows their “concerns” about security are nonexistent.

Yes, Williams's Suicide Prevention initiative is brilliant.
Harry - and Meghan - ought to speak up in support of that.

I agree and it’s outrageous for someone who uses the word depression to describe brief feelings after a major life altering move.

I bet they are saving the photos of the kids faces for a Big Reveal, probably be something like the morning of Williams Coronation or something big like that to get the attention.

Im so excited. I can’t wait to see our beloved Sultan and Honourable Lady in action. Also the procession going into the state dinner with everyone all dressed up. People say no one does pageantry like the British and I will only add to it that no one does it like the Omanis either. They, both men and women, are going to look magnificent parading into dinner in their beautiful national/ceremonial dress.

Im having my usual tea party and it’s the only time I tell the women in my life that it’s a summons, not an invitation. I’m so proud of the connection between Britain and the UK.

Hard agree. They are saving those poor kids big reveal. Maybe if they really hit rock bottom in UK. However I think they'll be dragged out for Ingriftus

At that time in Kensington (and in that Borough of London) there was also a free confidential mental health helpline in operation, well-advertised and well-supported. There was/is also The Samaritans, also confidential, and highly recommended. From Heads Together, Harry will have known this.

There is a ‘reactive depression’ that differs in intensity and length from what we look upon as ‘real depression’. It’s very real and I suspect it’s what Harry could have had.

Im very careful when it comes to discussing someone’s mental health given that I’ve lived in the world of psychiatry all of my life, my darling mum died in out local psychiatric hospital and my family along with extended family/inlaws are full of neurodivergence as well as serious mental health dx. One thing it’s taught me is that comparing what we may have experienced as depression for example is only what we have experienced on a personal level and others can experience it differently to us.

Absolutely. There was absolutely no way they didn't know how to get help. Harry certainly did, and it's shocking that his supporters excuse this.

Where I absolutely agree with you is that University , academic qualifications are not the be all and end all. People have many different qualities and some of those don't include passing exams. Couldn't agree more.

This has been my belief too, for many years now.
University is the path forward for those who are aspiring to academic careers. Following a path in life that allows a person's natural inclination, talent and skills can bring just as much fulfillment in life.

I feel that H either hasn't discovered yet what his natural path forward is, or he thinks he has, and is currently beating us over the head with it.

Perhaps, for many various reasons, he feels that he will find his true path in the UK; he's had 6 years to think about it.
However for some, success and true happiness come later in life, after years of trying things that didn't work out.

Meanwhile, I also agree that H is indeed offering up his own personal feelings and experiences way too much, making up for his lack of knowledge in any given subject, even one as important as MH, as it is easier than doing the research.
I believe he feels strongly that the public really want to hear all about him, which is predictable and monotonous; and hard to continue making a living from.

How do you explain him making a full recovery, seemingly without outside help, within two weeks?

And @TheOvertGardener and @smilesy and @PleasantGreenPorcupine this is why I do get a bit cross with H's ( to my mind) trite opinings on mental health.

@bluegreygreen I think made a perspicacious point at some point , H doesn't need to qualify as a cousellor - . But he could eg take a foundation course to educate himself ( sorry if I'm misrepresenting you blue ) I did it when I retired , I decided the whole 5 years to qualify wasn't for me but it gave me some insight. I believe though that anyone can hang out a shingle and call themselves a psychotherapist. Properly qualified ones have had to do an awful lot of training ( & I believe need to have regular sessions themselves with a mentor ) .

Anyway I'll get off my hobby horse about those qualifies to talk about mental health. 😊

I personally don’t believe a word of that little reminiscence. I may be wrong but I would expect The Portland to have wall mounted piped entonox for a start. And I would expect any competent midwife to quickly put a stop to husbands using the entonox. Even a jokey test gasp. A whole canister?
It would take a long time to use a whole canister.

I call bollocks. AKA a fanciful recollection.

And what a dreadful thing to do to two little children, because they have been so utterly ridiculous with hiding the kids faces by putting them on social media at every available opportunity to flog her tat they are literally setting those children up for ridicule, there will be certain quarters of the internet who will delight in pulling those children to pieces, This cat and mouse game she is playing with the children is disgraceful, either she should have shown them selectively over the years or not shown them at all, but that’s putting her children above her wants and needs and I don’t think she has ever done that with anyone.

It’s a terrible message for him to be giving out to people in a mental health crisis. ‘Your family could be ashamed of you or pissed off with you if you seek help’.

Stupid, dangerous man, honestly.

At our homelessness service where I live we deal with lots of of people who are ‘not feeling quite right in themselves’ and make damn sure they know that no-one is judging them as a nuisance or thinking any less of them - far from it, we stress that seeking support is admirable, positive and the start of a new day.

H’s story is a load a bollocks, frankly, and damaging. He’s not very brave, is he? Not brave enough to tell the truth, that’s for sure.

To show himself as a terrible husband? A neglectful father?
One who would get high at the expense of his labouring wife?

I slept badly so went back to bed! , I’m glad !! And I fully agree with autumn, I’m tired of answering questions from ploppers who clearly haven’t followed the actual behaviour and lies from this couple , inserting themselves and attempting to shame those who do actually know exactly “what they have done to deserve it” , I’m going to ignore it in future.

There is a ‘reactive depression’ that differs in intensity and length from what we look upon as ‘real depression’. It’s very real and I suspect it’s what Harry could have had.

I've had reactive depression. It was the only time I've asked the GP for medication. I wouldn't say it differs in intensity, either, if you mean it's not as bad or long lasting.

Also, just quoting a few of the claims again, which are proven lies and never stood up scrutiny in the first place.
They don't return when faced with evidence.

Yes, I remember becoming distressed when the midwives had to replace my Entonox tank when I was in labour with DC#1. That minute without the gas and air was almost unbearable.

H’s whole account of that birth is a big self-involved mess of a narrative. Why bother telling the story? He’s so very like uncle bloody Spencer in that regard. Talk about egos …

H 💯 behind this horrible exposure of their children too. The pair of them are unbelievable hypocrites