Ham pr disasters 44! Will there be karma? Or will the slippery mackerel of consequences pass them by?

[jeffgoldblum]

Still not bored , still interested, if you find this thread not for you please pass us by.

I think these incidents show more that William (and Catherine) can be the bigger person, rather than that the king has told him what to do. He is well aware of his brother and SiL’s potential for tantrums over perceived slights. I don’t think he needs his father to tell him

There is no credible evidence for this.

And after all that pandering he didn’t bother to attend Prince Phillip’s memorial service at Westminster Abbey, because you know, security.

I think you are right - she copies in both speech and dress. IIRC many of her "profound" statements have turned out to have been plagiarised from other people.

• The UN Women’s Speech (2015): Critics noted that she concluded a speech on gender equality using a structure nearly identical to a 1951 Eleanor Roosevelt Voice of America broadcast. Where Roosevelt said, "It isn’t enough to talk about peace. One must believe in it," Meghan stated, "It isn't enough to simply talk about equality. One must believe in it. And it isn't enough to believe in it. One must work at it."

• The "Girl Up" Leadership Speech (2020): Social media users pointed out that her advice to women to drown out external opinions closely resembled a line from Steve Jobs's 2005 Stanford commencement address: "Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your inner voice."
• The Fortune Virtual Summit (2020): She remarked during a discussion on social media that "there are very few things in the world where you call the person who's engaging with it a 'user'—people who are addicted to drugs and people on social media." Viewers linked this phrasing to statistician Edward Tufte's line in the Netflix documentary The Social Dilemma: "There are only two industries that call their customers 'users': illegal drugs and software."

.... interesting that there was little plagiarism during her working royal years ... I guess the MIGS used to fact check her speeches

Even the Oprah interview hinted and an homage to Wallis - she even changed her usual hair to loop it over her ears like the photo

It’s working normally for me Siri , you haven’t accidentally hidden it or the board?

https://www.revistavanityfair.es/galerias/meghan-markle-wallis-simpson-estilo-comparativa

This is in Spanish cos it's where I live and what Google offers me as default. But it's basically to see the side by side photos. I think most of the examples are a massive stretch, but the Oprah dress and hairstyle does seem deliberate.

It seems typical her to think she is being very clever with this but, as usual, she doesn't know enough about it to understand it's not the brillant tactic she thinks it is.

She is fascinatingly batshit. Would love a psychiatrist deep dive on her. Seems like there's a personality disorder in there. I speak as someone with a very disordered mother.

Do you suppose she knows anything about WS's life (pandering to an entitled man baby) and how she ended up? (abandoned, ill and exploited by her legal adviser)?

..that she was a committed segregationist and antisemitic?
She was a good friend of Ribbentrop and admired the Nazi regime?

She is credited with saying “You can never be too rich or too thin.” I don’t know if it was original to her.

Didn't the Duchess of York - future Queen and QEQM - call her the Stick Insect?

The wrinkles on that otherwise very nice white dress! Doesn't she (M) have anything that fits properly? The people who supplied her clothes must have despaired.

She knows nothing about WS. Herself and are dim hubby lack natural curiosity. H himself has admitted he has never read a book. I very much doubt his wife has either

Wallis referred to QEQM as "the fat Scotch cook" and she and Edward called her "Cookie" for short. Just the level of pleasant exchange you'd expect from racist supremecists.

I'd never seen this picture before today - but I guess we know where the inspiration for the infamous Invictus outfit came from ..... 😵

Dolly wore wigs for working. It was part of her working image.

Agree. She will only have thought as deeply as Wallis = American in the Royal Family. She will understand nothing further about the background to Wallis and Edward being ostracised, Wallis’ political leanings or the reasons for the deep resentment at the huge upheaval that was caused to George vi and his family

Attitudes that were by no means uncommon in the 1930s and not confined to WS.

I never suggested that in the 1930s that these views were either uncommon, or confined to the Duchess of Windsor.

Wasn’t there also speculation that some of Meghan’s essay on her miscarriage was plagiarized, also an author accused Meghan of copying her book for the series Pearl which was eventually cancelled.

She has form for stealing from others.

Her cosplaying Wallis is completely deliberate IMO, she thinks she’s being clever same as using th swan emoji, unfortunately for her she is completely transparent.

I'm feeling a bit 'triggered', as some like to say, about H's saying he's never read a book. I've met people like that and it's an attitude I find seriously objectionable. It speaks of an aggressive anti-intellectualism and a horrible arrogance - "You can't tell me anything I don't know".

I can honestly believe it of Harry. I realise that he was sent to Eton for complex reasons after Diana's death, and that it was understood that it wasn't the right school for him academically, but even so, some of the masters were astounded at his arrogant refusal to engage or make any academic effort whatsoever.

I think Meghan is clever, but not in the least bit intellectual. She's quick, sly, cunning and fast on the uptake - all of which has served her well until now. But there's no depth or thoughtfulness there and while I'm sure she has read a book or two in her life, I doubt very much that she's someone who takes an interest in literature or reads for pleasure.

Some will say - well, that's their choice - not everyone can be Melvyn Bragg! No, but anyone in the business of making speeches for a living or who purports to be a public figure ought to be less of a numbskull. You can't help your IQ but to have that attitude (I've never read a book, me) is so arrogant and off-putting. NO wonder he couldn't finish his speech.

The photo that has really made me think 'what the heck' is the one with knotted white shirt,sunglasses and pose...like Diana.That photo 'speaks' volumes about the type of person she is, in my opinion.

Hi @jeffgoldblum and all, thanks again for wishing me well. I’m alive!! I’m home!! And just catching up on the thread(s). Please ignore typos and daft errors in posts for a while, as I’m not feeling tip-top yet.

The current discussion on Wallis Simpson reminds me that she and David (Edward VIII) were good friends in Paris exile with Oswald Mosley and Diana (Mitford) Mosley. Diana wrote a biography of her that I’ve never read - has anyone else?

By the by, it’s Mosley money (said to have originally been stolen by Nazis from holocaust victims in WW2, and handed to Oswald Mosley, and inherited by his son Max Mosley) that’s alleged to have helped fund Hacked Off investigations and legal actions, with which Harry latterly became associated.

(I hope that vaguely makes sense.)

Absolutely. I am not a M ‘hater’. I find her personality fascinating

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I'm feeling a bit 'triggered', as some like to say, about H's saying he's never read a book. I've met people like that and it's an attitude I find seriously objectionable.

I agree.
It's the same sort of people that sneer at some questions on quiz shows, saying "Before my time" or laugh deridingly the moment a subject like "Art and literature" comes up.
When asked what topic they'd like to see come up, they invariably say "Sport".
Then motor racing appears and it turns out that by "Sport" they mean "Football (preferably the team I support)".