Do you believe Charles Spencer about Charles Windsor's reported remark?

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Do you believe Charles Spencer that Charles Windsor said to him during a phone call "we'll forget her soon enough."

The Sun reported this to be the case on 2019 - though for £30, not £25 - and there are secondhand autographed copies on eBay and other online sites, so it sounds true.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9830506/princess-dianas-brother-lord-spencer-selling-copies-eulogy-funeral-sign/

Serenster · Today 18:17
And indeed he hasn’t said or written about Diana anything for nearly thirty years.

But how many visitors has he hosted at Althorp each summer to visit Diana’s gravesite, memorial temple and exhibition in that time (Tickets currently £25.50 per adult)? He lobbied hard for her to be buried on the grounds of Althorp rather than with the rest of her family - all 19 generations of them - at the local church in the village next to Althorp.
The Diana, Princess of Wales memorial fund was wound up in 2012, so he won’t have been donating any of the visitor proceeds to that.

You are rather mischievously linking making income from visitors with the arrival of Diana’s remains, when Althorp has been open to visitors since 1953.

And the ticket price you quote is fairly standard for a stately home visit.

I note also that Althorp is temporarily closed atm at a time when CS could be profiting from the added interest that his book has generated.

And CS certainly does not welcome visitors to Diana’s graveside! Yes, CS has created a small exhibition about Diana’s life, and a suitable place where visitors can leave flowers, but both are a very respectful distance away from Diana’s burial place.

And I think it is entirely appropriate that Diana’s grave is not in the local churchyard given the extraordinary, almost obsessive, interest in her life and death at the time, and that CS has located it where he can protect it. Especially given the manner of her death being pursued by paparazzi.

Can you imagine it being in the local churchyard and subject to “souvenir hunters?” . How dreadful that would be for not only Diana and her family but also the other members of the parish who have relations buried there.

Perfectly sensible imho. Apparently many visitors to Althorp were asking for copies and so they had them bound and available for sale. Why not? It’s a very good , well written, speech.

I have no words really…and people are trying to say he isn’t trying to cash in on his sister!

"He lobbied hard for her to be buried on the grounds of Althorp rather than with the rest of her family - all 19 generations of them - at the local church in the village next to Althorp."

If you had been to visit the church where the Spencers are all buried,
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you would have seen that you can't get a pin head between all the Spencer family tombs. Having hundreds of visitors tramping through that village would have caused considerable traffic congestion to say nothing of disrupting the everyday worship of the locals.
There was always the danger of ghoulish souvenir-hunters as well.

It's making money from her death which he professed he'd never do? Surely anyone can google his speech, no need for fancy printed copies and are they really signed or is that just a bad rumour?

I can’t actually believe that anyone is defending this !! Have morals and decency slipped so far.

Completely incorrect.

You do know that Diana’s grave remains, and always has, very much apart from the modest exhibition about her life and the Doric-style temple facing the private island where she is buried?

Please note the words private island!

That was the whole point!

To suggest that CS is selling tickets to her graveside is reaching pretty low actually!

No but I can understand why certain posters enjoy manufacturing moral outrage about this to make some sort of point directed at CS for their own purposes!

I note also that Althorp is temporarily closed atm at a time when CS could be profiting from the added interest that his book has generated.

Charles Spencer has explained previously he has agreed a strict annual time limit with the government (meaning I suppose that this is relevant for tax purposes) when the estate will be open to the public - in other words, he does not have a discretion here.

Conveniently for the Earl, the limited summer season is poignantly bookended by two significant dates relating to Princess Diana: opening on July 1st (her birthday) and closing on August 31st (the anniversary of her death).

Do you really think people visiting the Estate, viewing the exhibition and the temple don’t also gaze across the lake at the island and the decorative plinth? They are visiting her burial site - you are arguing semantics here.

Ok apologies I retract the graveside comment.

Charles Spencer has no control over why folk decide to visit Althorp.

Some visit for its architecture and some because it was Diana’s childhood home and I imagine he is catering to both. Some will demand postcards of the interiors and some a copy of his bound speech. The demand is visitor driven not the other way around.

Having visited I can testify that the “Diana aspect” of the visit is very discreetly done indeed and believe me, he could have profited it from it a lot more, had he wanted to.

Incidentally, the staff there are exceptionally welcoming and helpful and that tends to come from the top ime.

"Why did the Spencers all let her down so badly?"

I'm not sure that they did.

When I visited Althorpe I saw a table plan of a banquet they had where they put Prince Charles (as he was then) next to Lady Di's older sister Lady Sarah (now Mc Corquedale) to introduce them.
Lady Sarah is said to have admitted to having been diagnosed with anorexia, having "thousands of boyfriends," a past problem involving alcohol, and having started keeping a scrapbook of all the press clippings about her royal romance that she intended to show future grandchildren.
"Her head seemed to be turned by the publicity," the two reporters later said. Lady Sarah also declared that she would not marry Charles "if he were the dustman or the King of England."When the article was released, Lady Sarah showed it to the prince, who was infuriated by it.The relationship dissolved soon after that. (From Google)
It seems that 'like attracts like' and the whole family was dysfunctional.

I don't think Diana was the 'brightest crayon in the box' and when she wanted to call off the engagement her father bullied her into carrying on with it. She was too quiet to speak up and say what she wanted.

Where did you see these reports? Afaik it’s well known that they were friends again before she died. She had fallen out with her mother, her sister, her brother, her friend of many years Fergie, even bloody Elton (although they were reconciled just before she died, at Versace’s funeral). But was getting along and co-parenting well with Charles.

Sarah obviously knew what would lay ahead. Someone should have protected Diana and put a spanner in the works.

Exactly. If he'd wanted to keep her grave really private he could have completely sealed off an area of the (huge) estate. But he knows that it's her grave that keeps the visitors coming, a bit like Elvis and Graceland.

Looking back her being buried there seems a strange decision, she could have safely been buried at Frogmore where William and Harry could easily visit since they were at school nearby.

CS played a blinder really, without Diana Althorp is just another big stately home.

I wonder why he didn't just photo copy the eulogy for those who wanted a copy 🤔 . It was reproduced in every newspaper the day after the funeral as I recall.

No, I don’t. It would be an exceptionally cruel thing to say about the mother of his children…and to the man who was her brother. KC is many things but I can’t see him being deliberately cruel.

I think Charles Spencer misheard or there’s more context he’s not sharing.

And of course KC has never shown cruelty before, yeah right

"Co-parenting" Is a stretch. The boys were in boarding school for the academic year, then went to their dad for some of the holidays, and their mum for some of the holidays

What would you call bringing up two children in a shared custody arrangement if not co-parenting? Are you saying that people with DC in boarding school do not parent them?

I had no idea he was doing this.
I thought the whole point of her being buried at the family home was privacy?

Please tell me that’s not true

I don't believe that Prince Charles, as he was then, would utter such a callous remark at all, particularly not to a grieving CS.
I certainly do not believe he would behave "giddily elated" either; that's absolute rubbish.
I think, if the words were said at all, that they were completely taken out of context, and not with the same meaning that is being pushed onto the public today,

To me it seems CS is promoting these damaging claims, which are in his book, as a strategic teaser to whip up enthusiasm for the book's impending release.

These "remarks" were supposedly made 30 years ago, "supposedly" between PoW and CS, I mean, anyone can claim anything and who would be able to prove it?
However, it will definitely help sell his books, which is the purpose of it being put out there, and all in the name of lots of money.
Hopefully, that as damaging as this is, casting a shadow of doubt over KC3 while making a success of his book-selling, is the only reason behind it.

He was quite happy to be associated with a cruel women (who he eventually married) whose favourite pastime was riding to hounds and seeing furry mammals being torn to bits for fun.
Diana was anti-bloodsports BTW